Warfare & Tactics

Also expect that the cynabal pilot is smarter than the average bear, so to catch one all you need is good enough bait to disract it from the uncloaking recons or whatever etc.

Yeah you don't know what you are talking about.

We certainly got allot of kills against test but we didn't have to resort ot any such elaborate methods as a "preferred method." They were bad enough that simply shooting them was the preffered/most common method.

The vast majority of kills were on station but it was just so hard to resist all the free kills they kept giving us in such a short time.
I mean I would go roaming looking for stuff but sabotage was just sitting at station racking up kill after kill as I was combing low sec for a fight.

It made it especially tempting when they started smack talking us, when they first came in, about what they were going to do to our mothers. Now my mother is in her sixtys never played any computer games but I think she would have been grabbing those free kills too if she played eve.

If test wants base out of low sec they should shut up and just pay the others at that station not to shoot them. But they should definitely not be smacktalking anyone.

Unless you get a scrambler on that Cyna it's still not going to die. It's going to MWD out of point range and warp off, so you're only half correct.

Dampening ship like the Celestis/Lach/Arazu. They either decide to get closer in and brawl with your gang or run

[quote=Artemis Ahab][quote=Meditril][quote=March rabbit]to 2 posters above: this is exactly what i said. 1 kiting ship needs 2 (+ more smart/lucky pilots) to be caught.

Not sure this is normal situation when kiting ship can kill brawler 1vs1 (there was example from this thread).[/quote

The only reason why you need two to kill is that he can run away that quickly. Basically every Drake can chase of a Cynabal since the Cynabal can not tank the missiles for long. If it would not run then it would die. [/quote

Unless you get a scrambler on that Cyna it's still not going to die. It's going to MWD out of point range and warp off, so you're only half correct.[/quote

Triple webs on a Cynabal...I think not

EDIT: *** me, I totally read this wrong. The point was that "IF the Cynabal does not warp off, it will die to Drakes." A dual or trip web Rapier should have no problem keeping a Cynabal from getting away.

Pfft

Brawling > Kiting

Kiting doesent require the same amount of skill and awareness that everyone says it does, burn off gate/celestial, set overview by distance, kill retards that come at you.

With brawling its all about timing, target selection, cap management, quick reactions and overall common sense.

It is much harder to jump into a 15 man gate camp with a sliepner with the intent to engage and commit than it is when jumping in with a cynabal and killing tacklers then leaving.

0.0 is so full of retards it makes for easy kills when kiting, however no matter ******** someone is, 10 retards in canes at facemelt range on an active tanked brawling ship still hurts regardless.

So in a way, brawling is actually more fun because you can die. A well flown cynabal/nano drake is pretty hard to kill unless there is lots of light tackle + rapier/huggin

I think there is a lot of misconceptions about "brawling" in this thread. Being succesful in a short range tanky setup is not just about hitting approach and activate guns/tank and hope for the best, that is a sure way to die to any thing that out dps your tank.

To me flying brawling ships, especially active tanks, is much more dependent on pre-fight conditions and what you as a pilot do to manipulate those conditions in order to get as favourable a start/situation as possible before comitting, since you have less options than a kiting setup once the fight ensues. This, however, doesn't mean that you are totally out of options once your committed, there are still tons of stuff you can do during the actual fight to increase your chances of winning. For example, if you have a MWD, try using it after the fight starts, you'll be surprised what this can accomplish

Also, gal and minnie recons are indeed a counter to kiting setups but they are a much worse opponent should you be on the recieving end of them in a brawling setup. Kiters have decent range and can often force those recons off the field with a bit of careful piloting where as a brawler caught off gate by a recon is in a really bad spot. This is probably somewhat true for all recons vs brawlers tbh.

Imo, brawling, especially active tanks, is a lot more challenging than kiting and requires a lot more thought before/during the fight in order to be succesful at it. But then again I don't fly alot of kiting stuff so I might be totally wrong here

Double-posting goodness.

IMO, you are correct that it requires more thought before the fight.

However during the fight, I find kiting to require a lot more thought. For example, something simple like holding on to your target. If you are brawling, you are pretty much on top of your target (since you're short range dps) or you are choosing to release. While kiting, I'm always anticipating where I should be heading to both hold onto my target AND avoid the enemy fleets close range dps/max transversal against tier 3 bc's etc.

Pretty much anything you do during a fight in a brawling ship has to be done in a kiting ship, but kiting has a LOT more possibilities to constantly consider with regards to ship placement, acceleration, etc. You can kite without considering them, but you'll be a much better kiter if you do.

As an FC I love running brawling groups over kiting groups. It takes a bit more full-system awareness, and multitasking/managing individual members (i.e. the bubblers, fast tackle, scouts) and keeping the brawling group together.

I enjoy both though.