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C4 WH proteus set up
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Arianazz
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-09 17:42:34 UTC
Hello there folks.

Im looking for some advice.
My main is hoping to start doing some combat sites in a C4 Wh shortly.
He can fly the proteus already and it seems like a solid ship for WH fun and games.

I was wondering if anyone could suggest a fitting or two and offer some advice on its use within the WH.

I will probably fit it for dps/tank as I will be working with at least one other corp member who will do the scanning down of sites.
(Ofc i will keep a probe launcher handy to refit to move out or go scanning down sites if Im on my own).

I know the Tengu is the preferred WH ship of many but after the Hybrid blaster buffs, does the Proteus compete well these days. Due to the fact WH isnt fully pve or pvp I would appreciate any thoughts of my fellow pilots.

(Assuming all the core skills in gunnery to 4/5 and subsystems 5 and support skills to 4/5 as well. Budget of 1B-1.5B)


Cheers
Murashu
Dead and Delirious
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2 - 2012-03-09 20:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Murashu
I have no experience using the proteus in PvE, none.


With that said, even with the hybrid change I believe you are going to waste a large amount of time chasing down every sleeper to get in range of your guns. The great thing about the Tengu is you can warp in, lock sleepers 100km away and start killing them without ever moving. The less time you spend chasing targets = more time shooting things = the faster you can do sites and be on your way.

Oh and if you really want to test it out I recommend getting on the test server yourself to try your fitting. Hybrids require cap right? How are you going to shoot if you are neuted out?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-09 21:00:11 UTC
This guy claims to use this for C3 sites.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57192-Proteus-SSmc-Deathfish-Olga.html

Obviously not in your budget.

Personally I have never heard of anyone using a proteus for C4 sleepers.
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-09 21:10:35 UTC
Arianazz wrote:
Hello there folks.

Im looking for some advice.
My main is hoping to start doing some combat sites in a C4 Wh shortly.
He can fly the proteus already and it seems like a solid ship for WH fun and games.

Budget of 1B-1.5B)


Cheers


o7 Arian,

sorry to inform you thats not possible to solo c4 anymore the neut is to much for activ selfrep :/

even in tengus u can do it or lets say in tengus under 6b and something like that nobody ever fly

u can solo c3 get 1,1k Defence and be 60%+ cap stable then np ( at least in a tengu)

also you should know that if you fly solo the sleeper will web you to dead :/ so rockets are recomended then solo

sorry for bad english

c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :)
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-03-10 01:12:21 UTC
Shenra Twrin wrote:

c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :)


Sorry, I haven't a clue about proteus but all C4s can be soloed by a tengu. They be way quicker, obviously, with two tengu as Shenra suggests.

Some of the C4 spawns do test the tank of a MSB 6HML tengu, and if you let yourself get scrammed and neuted you may well die quickly.

I doubt that a proteus on your stated budget will manage to tank nearly as well as a tengu costing 2 - 3 times that .... so I'd hazard a guess that a proteus would not be able to solo all / most (if any) C4 sites.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Arianazz
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-10 09:49:34 UTC
Thanks for the feedback folks.


Thats a pity but then the proteus does shine in other areas so the training wasnt wasted.


Cheers
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-11 00:00:41 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Shenra Twrin wrote:

c4 can be done by 2 RR Tengus with passiv fit :)


Sorry, I haven't a clue about proteus but all C4s can be soloed by a tengu. They be way quicker, obviously, with two tengu as Shenra suggests.

Some of the C4 spawns do test the tank of a MSB 6HML tengu, and if you let yourself get scrammed and neuted you may well die quickly.

I doubt that a proteus on your stated budget will manage to tank nearly as well as a tengu costing 2 - 3 times that .... so I'd hazard a guess that a proteus would not be able to solo all / most (if any) C4 sites.

i call bs on this (sorry )


as long u post a vid while farming c4 site solo ! ( need to show the name of the site (then u are warp in ) + full grid so we see u dont get booster or RR) can be on sisi or somethere else ! no need old pre neut nerf vid pls must be 2012 vid
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-03-11 19:10:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
I quit using a Proteus for sleepers when I had to spend more time in a C3 jockeying around to get a decent shot off than the time it took to kill the wave in a Tengu. And that was pre-neut buff

Although, I've no doubt that a proteus can run c3 sites you're really just hitting your head against the wall to MAKE it work. You're better off using something else.....anything else! In a C4 you're not going to have enough cap to shoot those blasters anyway. So I highly doubt it would work unless you're like many people in this game and intent on MAKING it work to your own detriment.

I've seen RR domi so you can still draw on those Gal skills but you'll need 3 - 4 pilots to make it work.

Don't ban me, bro!
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2012-03-11 20:32:47 UTC
Shenra Twrin wrote:

i call bs on this (sorry )


No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS.

Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2012-03-12 01:08:56 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Shenra Twrin wrote:

i call bs on this (sorry )


No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS.

Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)


I'll vouch. If Subs says it can be done, it can be done. Especially with the caveat that it isn't an optimal way to do it.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-12 01:41:56 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Shenra Twrin wrote:

i call bs on this (sorry )


No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS.

Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)


I'll vouch. If Subs says it can be done, it can be done. Especially with the caveat that it isn't an optimal way to do it.



+1

Although I think it is fair to say also that when she say's "solo" she is meaning one player, not necessarily one toon. I know from other threads she has a very pimped out booster alt at the very least.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-03-12 03:20:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Although I think it is fair to say also that when she say's "solo" she is meaning one player, not necessarily one toon. I know from other threads she has a very pimped out booster alt at the very least.


This I tested raw-solo first. Wanted to know I could before committing my resources and trying to sort out more efficient ways of doing them.

And yes, my normal w-space ops are 'semi-solo' multibox efforts - usually two DPS toons, one prettty-darn good fleet booster, and a scout with a deep space probe always out and watching.


Zhilia Mann wrote:

I'll vouch. If Subs says it can be done, it can be done. Especially with the caveat that it isn't an optimal way to do it.


Hek, I hope I never used the word optimal or even efficient in my descriptions. If so, please spank me, because it's not. 'Achievable' yes, 'optimal' hek no.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#13 - 2012-03-12 11:26:26 UTC
C4's can not be done solo. Use at least 2-3 spider tanked ships. RR to rep the ships, some turrets to do small dps, drones to kill em all...

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.
Bibosikus
Air
#14 - 2012-03-12 13:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
You'll have far more fun & games in W-space using a covops-fit Proteus with buffer tank & long point against other C4/C3 farmers.

For that particular role, the Proteus is the best of all the T3's.

My optimal setup for C3 farming was a pair of Legions - one max fleet boosting with a DSP off-scan to watch for hostiles, the other with a C-Type repper which was fine for all anoms and all but the two high-end mag & radar sites where I would switch to an A-type repper.

120m an hour easy, once you're up & running the first anomaly.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-12 14:40:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Shenra Twrin
Substantia Nigra wrote:
Shenra Twrin wrote:

i call bs on this (sorry )


No need to apologise. Your lack of imagination and thinking is not gonna limit or restrict my game. Those with the skills who've done this already will know ... and most who've dealt with me will already know I am not prone to BS.

Doubt i will have much difficulty sleeping at night because you're not a believing me :-)



It´s not the lack of imagination just the aware of knowing that since the sleeper neut its impossible to ! solo farm( 1 tengu without anyhelp just 1tengu) ALL sites in c4 now/today....
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-12 15:28:03 UTC
ive actually managed to solo all c4 sites but 1 of the mags with a tengu. problem is taht you spend more time warping around and running like hell then fighting. but if you make some warp points in a site and make sure you warp before being scrambled its doable.......just a total **** job

as for the proteus: it cant solo a c4 and apart from the moros there arent any real good wh pve ships for the gallante
Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-12 16:17:02 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
ive actually managed to solo all c4 sites but 1 of the mags with a tengu. problem is taht you spend more time warping around and running like hell then fighting. but if you make some warp points in a site and make sure you warp before being scrambled its doable.......just a total **** job

as for the proteus: it cant solo a c4 and apart from the moros there arent any real good wh pve ships for the gallante


hmpf i wouldnt call that farm .....

but ok then see it from the point of its it only possible apart from isk/hr and fun then ok can accept that u can do it with 1 tengu but u cant farm it ( means a good isk/hr) in one tengu ....



thats all i wanted to say u can´t FARM it .



Also thanks for showing me that it is possible even its a living hell...
Bibosikus
Air
#18 - 2012-03-12 21:36:54 UTC
It's been widely accepted for a long time that for a genuinely solo player, C3 anomalies are the best isk/hr ratio in w-space.

I have run certain C4 anomalies in a solo T2 Tengu fit, and I've no doubt that 6b fits can "run" C5 anomalies. So what? You will still earn more isk/hr in a C3.

But never with a Proteus :)

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
WolfeReign
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-03-13 16:57:40 UTC
I can see C4 sites being solo'd by a tengu if you stay out of neut and web range though breaking the big RR spawn in barracks would take a while
Arianazz
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-13 18:37:02 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
You'll have far more fun & games in W-space using a covops-fit Proteus with buffer tank & long point against other C4/C3 farmers.

For that particular role, the Proteus is the best of all the T3's.
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Slightly off topic, but what sort of a loadout would you suggest for this deed?
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