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Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2012-03-09 14:27:00 UTC
Kor'el Izia wrote:
Dear mr Karkur, you wrote earlier:
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:

Why not send a RequestorID along with your market list request, the server can flag the matching orders in it's client return.

I'll ask some server experts, but I'm guessing there is one order list that everyone gets, and it's going to add too much extra work on the server to be distributing different orders to the clients.

Have you gotten a comment from "some server experts" yet? It'd be very interesting to hear a solution to color coding your own orders in the market Cool



^^ This. Patience is a virtue, but I'm a little excited about this.

On a more realistic side, I'll bet it will not happen overnight as everyone is busy, buuuuuuut... did you at least tell them? Mebbe? Pls?
Martyr 01
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#242 - 2012-03-09 14:45:14 UTC
Any chance we could get an option to disable the animated background on the login screen?

Takes me ages to open a new client (I thnk due to that) and besides the login text fields and server info tend to load for me long before the background...the loading of wich seems to make my crappy laptop stutter for a second. I'd much rather have a nice old fashioned static picture.

Very low priority obviously but it'd make an appreciable difference to me at least.
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#243 - 2012-03-09 14:45:58 UTC
ChaseTheLasers wrote:
I know I'm late to the party, but it's fashionable.

One nark I currently have with the UI is linking 'show info' items to chats.

See my awesome picture: http://i.imgur.com/uoB8m.jpg

Beer at the next fanfest I attend for adding Smile

Adding to that, I can't count how many times I've tried to drag a name from a chat channel or my contacts list into the "create contract" window, trying to get their name in the "private contract to" box just like how you can drag the name into chat channels and mails.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#244 - 2012-03-09 16:08:27 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
[quote=Seloena]

When client ask for market, server know who is asking for it.
Also when orders are taken from DB, for sure you know who created each order.
So putting the flag: 1 - your order, 0 - not your order, when sending back to client shouldn't be resource expensive.
Assuming - you don't have to send player ids (you said you don't want to do that);


So after this 2 ideas:
- adding flag your/not your to returned market list
- cashing orders ids once (if not cashed) during first market query or when opening wallet>orders and modifying that list when changing market orders only in the client. /quote]
I'll take a look when I have some time (I'm kind of in the middle of something now, and need to focus on that).
I have not looked that well into this so I cannot say for sure, but I don't think it's trivial to change this... but let me look into it and get back to you Smile



These are really solid suggestions. I think the caching would work pretty easily - I know you cache a ton of data already, and it can remember it.

Good thinking.

Where I am.
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#245 - 2012-03-09 16:08:27 UTC
it's a good start....


needs moar cowbell.


then i be happy.


i got a fever! and the only prescription is MOAR cowbell to my papercuts!
Vekyn
Doomheim
#246 - 2012-03-09 16:12:50 UTC
I've got a UI-related question, maybe someone at CCP can answer.

How come I can't click on the news items that scroll across the top of the CQ screen to open them in the IGB anymore? This used to work, and I don't really know when it stopped working, but I'd like to see it come back!

Good changes too :)
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
#247 - 2012-03-09 16:34:30 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Team Game of Drones is working on inventory stuff, but that won't be out just yet.

Winter is Coming Shocked

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#248 - 2012-03-09 16:50:08 UTC
Darthewok wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Team Game of Drones is working on inventory stuff, but that won't be out just yet.
Winter is Coming Shocked
Winter is here http://instagr.am/p/H5_pvVPG46/

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#249 - 2012-03-09 16:58:27 UTC
Vekyn wrote:
How come I can't click on the news items that scroll across the top of the CQ screen to open them in the IGB anymore? This used to work, and I don't really know when it stopped working, but I'd like to see it come back!
This only happens in Caldari CQs, right? This has been fixed and the fix will be deployed in Crucible 1.5.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#250 - 2012-03-09 17:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
Why has the non square screens in 6-CZ49 not been fixed yet.Twisted

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Kusanagi Kasuga
Indigo Archive
Ivy League Alt Alliance
#251 - 2012-03-09 18:30:41 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Khorr Dark wrote:
Dr Prometheus wrote:
Ability to add or remove tabs in corperation hangar and personal hanger. And not beeing limited to the ammount you have now.

QFE.

Team Game of Drones is working on inventory stuff, but that won't be out just yet.

Can you get them to discuss it with us sooner, rather than later - so we can provide input on the best way to do inventory changes?
CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#252 - 2012-03-09 18:34:52 UTC
Quade Warren wrote:
Kor'el Izia wrote:
Dear mr Karkur, you wrote earlier:
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:

Why not send a RequestorID along with your market list request, the server can flag the matching orders in it's client return.
I'll ask some server experts, but I'm guessing there is one order list that everyone gets, and it's going to add too much extra work on the server to be distributing different orders to the clients.
Have you gotten a comment from "some server experts" yet? It'd be very interesting to hear a solution to color coding your own orders in the market Cool
^^ This. Patience is a virtue, but I'm a little excited about this.

On a more realistic side, I'll bet it will not happen overnight as everyone is busy, buuuuuuut... did you at least tell them? Mebbe? Pls?
CCP karkur has sent the question to the server, market and inventory experts and the discussion is ongoing.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Quade Warren
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2012-03-09 18:49:59 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
Quade Warren wrote:
Kor'el Izia wrote:
Dear mr Karkur, you wrote earlier:
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:

Why not send a RequestorID along with your market list request, the server can flag the matching orders in it's client return.
I'll ask some server experts, but I'm guessing there is one order list that everyone gets, and it's going to add too much extra work on the server to be distributing different orders to the clients.
Have you gotten a comment from "some server experts" yet? It'd be very interesting to hear a solution to color coding your own orders in the market Cool
^^ This. Patience is a virtue, but I'm a little excited about this.

On a more realistic side, I'll bet it will not happen overnight as everyone is busy, buuuuuuut... did you at least tell them? Mebbe? Pls?
CCP karkur has sent the question to the server, market and inventory experts and the discussion is ongoing.


You're a gentlemen, scholar, hero, belong on a pedestal, the works. Thank you much.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#254 - 2012-03-09 19:07:27 UTC
daveo911 wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Nirnaeth Ornoediad wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
PS: If you happen to get bored I'd LOVE the ability to see which market orders are mine in view market details... and then the ability to right click modify them directly from there.


+1 for this. This would be very helpful.

Once I got bored and looked into this (and had it working), but it's actually not that easy.
The owner info is not sent to the client (and we don't want it to be), so the only way to know what are your orders is to compare them with the "my orders" list... which would require a lot of extra trips to the server, which we are not fond of.



Why don't you want us to know who is posting what order? I already know the name of the toon who buys something from me. I would love to see both the name and standing of every order posted. The ability to market PVP would be awesome, undercut someone just because they are red. Buy something from a blue even if it cost a bit more. see what my enemy's are buying. Use market alts just like neutral scouts. I think this is right up EVE's ally. See if the same guy who undercuts me ever 5min plays 23 hours a day, hit report bot button.

I guess i just don't understand, we are already playing this meta game in the markets with POCO's and the upcoming DUST. Lets take it one more step forward!

Anyway, thanks for the hard work on the UI!

That's a game design requirement.... if I recall correctly, Hilmar (our CEO) and Reynir (one of the founders) have never agreed on this and there have been some heated discussions about itP

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#255 - 2012-03-09 19:21:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Grey Azorria
CCP Explorer wrote:
Quade Warren wrote:
Kor'el Izia wrote:
Dear mr Karkur, you wrote earlier:
CCP karkur wrote:
Kusanagi Kasuga wrote:

Why not send a RequestorID along with your market list request, the server can flag the matching orders in it's client return.
I'll ask some server experts, but I'm guessing there is one order list that everyone gets, and it's going to add too much extra work on the server to be distributing different orders to the clients.
Have you gotten a comment from "some server experts" yet? It'd be very interesting to hear a solution to color coding your own orders in the market Cool
^^ This. Patience is a virtue, but I'm a little excited about this.

On a more realistic side, I'll bet it will not happen overnight as everyone is busy, buuuuuuut... did you at least tell them? Mebbe? Pls?
CCP karkur has sent the question to the server, market and inventory experts and the discussion is ongoing.

Instead of having your own orders automatically highlighted, put a button on the market screen 'highlight own orders' or something like that. Server problems (hopefully P ) solved.

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Sometimes when I post, I look at my sig and wish that I'd follow my own god damned advice.
Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#256 - 2012-03-09 21:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Seloena
CCP karkur wrote:

That's a game design requirement.... if I recall correctly, Hilmar (our CEO) and Reynir (one of the founders) have never agreed on this and there have been some heated discussions about itP


They don't agree for sending order owner or they don't agree to highlight own market orders?
Could you plz clear that?

If they don't agree for sending owners i can understand why, here i can see many reasons to not agree about that.

But if they don't agree to highlight own market orders - i don't understand, coz we all know what order is our own. Highlight would be only help, so the search in tones of orders is not so hard and time consuming.
And like many of us think - this probably shouldn't lead to server load and sending order owners ids.

Grey Azorria wrote:

Instead of having your own orders automatically highlighted, put a button on the market screen 'highlight own orders' or something like that. Server problems (hopefully P ) solved.

So you will force us to extra click each time? Pffff....
1. it will not resolve query problem
2. it will not help (well... if you like the old PI clicking orgy, then well....)
3. if you will have >100 orders to fix many times a day, then good luck in 1 extra click for highlight ^^
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#257 - 2012-03-09 21:55:16 UTC
Seloena wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:

That's a game design requirement.... if I recall correctly, Hilmar (our CEO) and Reynir (one of the founders) have never agreed on this and there have been some heated discussions about itP


They don't agree for sending order owner or they don't agree to highlight own market orders?
Could you plz clear that?

If they don't agree for sending owners i can understand why, here i can see many reasons to not agree about that.

But if they don't agree to highlight own market orders - i don't understand, coz we all know what order is our own. Highlight would be only help, so the search in tones of orders is not so hard and time consuming.
And like many of us think - this probably shouldn't lead to server load and sending order owners ids.

sorry, I was talking about whether or not you should know who owns each order.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Seloena
Mighty Orca Inc
#258 - 2012-03-09 22:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Seloena
CCP karkur wrote:
sorry, I was talking about whether or not you should know who owns each order.

Uff..... what a relief. I was worry that they dont like the highlight idea :D I don't need the other player name.
For smaller items u can always buy 1 unit and you will have owner in transactions :]

Oh! BTW! Now we must copy the player name from transaction row and search for it manually. Would be cool to add option 'show player info' under submenu when you click transaction in wallet->transactions.

>> Also could you tell us how about fixing the wallet->orders window so doubleclick or shortcut+doubleclick the order will open the fix-price window instead of item info window (which is useless there)?

Is there any chance for such tiny thing that would make marketer life much more easy?
Its quite annoying when we have to rightclick->aim on the change market order option and left click hundreds times a day :]

Oh, and again I would like to thank you for your answers and time u spend to write them!



And I would like to say thanks for a very little improvement you did behind without noticing it on patch notes: making ',' (comma) the separator instead of '.'(dot) !!!!
Guys, you just don't have idea how awesome this is for people living in Europe where dot on numeric-keyboard is comma! Big kisses for that!
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#259 - 2012-03-09 23:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Seloena wrote:
Oh! BTW! Now we must copy the player name from transaction row and search for it manually. Would be cool to add option 'show player info' under submenu when you click transaction in wallet->transactions.

I don't know... is that something you think people want?

Seloena wrote:

>> Also could you tell us how about fixing the wallet->orders window so doubleclick or shortcut+doubleclick the order will open the fix-price window instead of item info window (which is useless there)?

I have a feeling that soon double clicking an order will not open the "show info" windowBlink... but I'm afraid it's not going to open up the "modify order" window.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#260 - 2012-03-10 00:23:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Gilbaron
CCP karkur wrote:
Seloena wrote:
Oh! BTW! Now we must copy the player name from transaction row and search for it manually. Would be cool to add option 'show player info' under submenu when you click transaction in wallet->transactions.

I don't know... is that something you think people want?



imho it would be extremely useful to have player and corp or alliance names fully interacable wherever they appear (in a context where it's clear that talk is about one) left/right click options + drag and drop functionality. Same with items and solar systems/stations/planets....


if it's not a lot of work, please make it happen