Assembly Hall

Are we all role-playing here to SOME extent? Yes. There's no doubt about that.

However, is this thread worthless? Yes. Also no doubt about that. WTF is OP trying to prove anyways?

EVE is not about Law, order, any of that crap. If you want that, space barbies are over there. EVE is about a Sandbox, it's about pilots flying around in space trying to gain ISK. Nothing more, nothing less. Trying to bring some sort of new "space court" would be worthless bullshit.

Also - even if you WANTED to try this, how would you actually "extradite" goonswarm leaders from nullsec? You might as well extradite the pope from Vatican City because he condones the abuse of altar boys (which unfortunately won't happen either).

Stupid ideas like this belong in Features and Ideas discussion, not Assembly Hall.

Perhaps I’m not explaining myself clearly. This was never an argument I could win by winning and I’d like to thank you for taking enough interest to post. This thread was raised not to ask for a new feature, it was to to give an example of the weakness in a fundamental assumption; That EVE is a MMORPG

What the discussion above demonstrates is how hostile EVE online has become to role-play by subscribers. Some people just don’t get it when anyone other than a GM takes the part of of an NPC entity.

In my discussions in Korvin’s campaign thread it became clear to me that the only RPers that could gain respect are those that are willing to fight for sov holdings in nullsec. Empire Loyalists in empire space are just not cool.

This thread raises awareness of the situation for CCP and the CSM to discuss. In accordance with CCP Spitfires stickied So you want to raise an Issue / Proposal (Tips and FAQs) topic.

However, I do agree with The Mittani that there are much more pressing issues and that must be addressed for the term of CSM7. RPers will live out their fantasies whether you like it or not. It would just be nice if CCP RP dept were better supported, more fully staffed and nudged the static areas of high-sec more often in response to player actions.

Yes, RP should be in the RP forums. I apologise for dismissing you out of hand.
I was being overly defensive because I expected your reaction.

This thread is not about asking for a new feature.
It is not about asking Goon-swarm to play space court with me.

It is about asking the CSM to investigate why high-sec appears to be a RP dead-zone.
The Mitanni and the Goons just make a handy targets, soz guys.

Me RPing as a lawyer!!

Also, we all know the only way to kill a titan is with more titans. So that one is untouchable

Edit: btw, empire loyalist RPers are pretty welcome in FW.

Someone has to haul POS eggs and the like to the front lines to be staging areas.

Might contact some of those FW corps and get some blue standings so you can haul supplies to their markets.

There are reasons why I can't take the whole corp in.

But there has got to be better ways to make your sympathies known than huzzahing in local, bashing out a bio, typing up a storm in the Intergalactic Summit - which you never see me do anyway because; what's the point? - or being flashy orange on the overview.

Those are the only ways to communicate your identity with a faction

Faction liveries bought with loyalty points would be a start, but even shiny paint jobs are ineffectual against a titan in high-sec.

If you don't empower role-play with a vigilant GM team - you might as well be the barman in the cantina saying; "Your kind aren't welcome here".

well thanks, i was beginning to think i was talking to myself, or maybe one of my split personalities
as exercises in futility go, eve is one of the more engaging - and could be bette
you may have noticed that i'm not much or a RPer, mainly because there is no good reason to be. But i would like to champion the art for those that are



true, it was probably for the best that died horribly rather get anywhere near adopted. i regret trying to bait super-mits and cohorts into a debate about the transcendental nature of identity. the opening act was appropriately rubbished



absolutely. it's just not entirely clear who you are fighting for, or why. omnipresent threat for no reason kills creativity



I'm not sure i agree on that score. i'd rather we ditched the NPCs and let the subscribers take up their roles
I know that would blur the line between Empyrean and the mortals of the EVE universe, but I think it is time.

You know what? I actually agree with this. I am not a roleplayer, in fact I find the idea a bit weird personally, but I do agree that because Eve is very much based on the sandbox ideal. And as such I think there should be more "ripples" to your actions (as CCP so elegantly says it in their adverts).

I would go a step further and say that there should be a new feature. I think that faction standings should change for large alliances as a result of their members actions. Suicide ganking should not only effect the players standings in that faction's space. It should also affect their alliances' standings (in a very small way), so that prolonged suicide ganking from an alliance would eventually lead to consequences for the alliance (and its members) as a whole.

Corporation and alliance NPC standings should matter more.

Although this discussion has started around RP, it seems to me, that it is ultimately about the effects we have on one another's game experience. I know im probably not looking at this in the same way as everyone else is, but I can't help but feel like there should be some political implications for actions everywhere.

Standings between players and NPC should definitely be more meaningful.

I wish you hadn't brought up the goons and their ice interdiction. Makes me uncomfortable as someone who has played as a RPer in MMORPGs when I get the slightest scent that RP is being used as an excuse to get the game mechanics to protect and insulate gamers from hostile actions of other players. I would like to see the game lore reflected in the game mechanics, but the lore is the framework in which we interact with the game world, not a means of regulating and enforcing 'good' player behavior.

The only thing worse than that is Roleplayers that create a story and expect it to be insulated from other players or the game world itself. Always reminds me of this group in Shadowbane called Dragonscale. They claimed to have a scale of the "Great Dragon" under their city and some how this would help them defeat said Dragon should it ever return to destroy the world again. Well great most other players don't care, problem was their city was in a desert region home to a large number of player groups roleplaying Irekei, vicious red desert elves who by the game lore worshiped this "Great Dragon". Well the Irekei all declared holly war against the Dragonscale group, which in turn lead to much Dragonscale members whining about griefing. So called roleplayers complaining about other roleplayers playing their role. RP should be part of the Sandbox, not isolated from it.

In short there has been a lot self proclaimed RPers in MMORPGs that have deservedly brought down the scorn of other players and tarnished what Roleplaying is, or at least ought to be in these games.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=51444

The debate in that thread parallels this thread, only with more hostility(I'm amazed how civil this one has remained) and more focus on why people dislike roleplayers.

The ultimate message I got before getting bored of it is that its not roleplayers that are the reason people do their best to eliminate role play on their MMOs, its the so-called 'God Modders' who want to tell a story no one else can interfere with unless they have permission. For example, one guy talks about how he can't stand it if anyone is allowed to interact with his character unless they explain to him what is gonna happen first, and he grants them his permission.

Any time you talk about 'role playing' on MMO forums, people will assume you are a god-modder, and given that it sounds like you want to declare a side in FW without actually having any of the drawbacks of FW, I would say thats your goal.

Even if you don't realize it yourself