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Hiring Dust Mercs with Aurum = Game Over

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Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#21 - 2012-03-08 20:17:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Azure Moonlight
It might be true that you can get Aurum by trading Plex for em and of course you can buy Plex for ISK. So yeah you can earn Aurum through normal gameplay.

But here is the problem with it. As soon as you can buy something useful (non-vanity) for Aurum (and hiring mercs definetly is non-vanity) you have two things you can do with ingame Plex (get yourself 30 days free gametime or for instance hiring mercs).

Which means there will be higher demand for Plex. Normally a market regulates itself by higher supply and prices stay about the same in the long run. But that cant happen to Plex, quite the contrary actually. You buy Plex for real cash and sell them for ISK, because obviously you want ISK. So today if you want 900 million ISK you need to buy 2 Plex for real cash and sell them on the market. If the market price doubles, because the demand doubles, you will only need to buy 1 Plex for real cash and still get the 900 million you needed.

So all of a sudden there is double the demand, but only half the supply.
This way Plex will sky rocket.

And you know what happens next? More and more people drop out of the game, because they cant afford their Plex anymore and dont want to go back to paying Eve the old fashioned way.

You may argue that demand will drop if people quit, but actually thats a downward-spiral that will hurt Eve beyond recovery.

Yay 10 years! :D

Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#22 - 2012-03-08 20:19:44 UTC
"Players of both games will share the same market and the same currency, ISK, as well as a mail system, voice chat, and text chat."

Looks ok so far.

Fingers crossed CCP haven't got any 'awesome' planned that differs from this.

C.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#23 - 2012-03-08 20:21:42 UTC
Cailais wrote:
"Players of both games will share the same market and the same currency, ISK, as well as a mail system, voice chat, and text chat."

Looks ok so far.

Fingers crossed CCP haven't got any 'awesome' planned that differs from this.

C.


I hope DUST is a giant isk sink... we need some more of those, as well as a general reduction in isk faucets like incursions.
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#24 - 2012-03-08 20:25:15 UTC
mechtech wrote:
Cailais wrote:
"Players of both games will share the same market and the same currency, ISK, as well as a mail system, voice chat, and text chat."

Looks ok so far.

Fingers crossed CCP haven't got any 'awesome' planned that differs from this.

C.


I hope DUST is a giant isk sink... we need some more of those, as well as a general reduction in isk faucets like incursions.


QFT. Removing npc sell orders was great, but now there are far too few isk sinks left in Eve. Not really a good thing for a stable ISK value.

Yay 10 years! :D

FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-03-08 20:28:36 UTC
Posting in a needless soapbox postulating thread.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-08 20:40:56 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
Saw this thread over in market discussion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78263&find=unread. I think we need to make it clear to CCP that if:
1. Dust Mercs are hired with Aurum and
2. Dust Mercs have anything to do with any other aspect of EvE

Then this is pay to win. If taking sov in 0.0 in any way requires or is aided by paying Dust Mercs Aurum then that is pay to win and imposing microtransactions on a scale that will make the Jita riots look small in comparison.



Yeah but since you pay to win by trading isk for plex for aurum everyone who can make enough isk to pay to win wont care. Which is everyone but you.


Or it will cause plex hyper inflation or to completely bottom out depending on the answer. Either way, I strongly doubt ccp would tie the two games together in such a way that it could impact either negatively should either one fail and I can't see them when dust is released saying to all Sov holders that using dust players is now a requirement to taking Sov. That just won't happen.

Perhaps they'll tie dust in with faction warfare as if dust fails it won't kill the core game and if it succeeds faction warfare might actually become something worth doing.
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
#27 - 2012-03-08 20:44:52 UTC
Cailais wrote:
"Players of both games will share the same market and the same currency, ISK, as well as a mail system, voice chat, and text chat."

Looks ok so far.

Fingers crossed CCP haven't got any 'awesome' planned that differs from this.

C.

Yep, this is what it should (and AFAIK is going to) be, I'm fine with dust bunnies buying and spending their own aurum, but it should definately be an isk (not plex) sink from the EVE side of things.

Also, Dust FW would be pure awesomesauce

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#28 - 2012-03-08 20:50:01 UTC
new blog on friday is over vehicles so it looks like well have to wait for fanfest for the juicy details we're looking for.

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#29 - 2012-03-08 21:27:39 UTC
Much ado over nothing.
I haven't seen where CCP says DUST will be paid/contracted with Aruum.

Did I miss it? I looked at the provided link.

Nothing clever at this time.

Kasidis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-03-09 00:20:28 UTC
Where the heck is Grideris?
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#31 - 2012-03-09 00:28:21 UTC
Here we go again more wild speculation with minimal evidence to back it up and posting on general discussion where everyone has their sources saying blahh blahh blahh.

Just ask them at fanfest.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Dbars Grinding
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#32 - 2012-03-09 00:31:18 UTC
incoming 1 bil per plex

I have more space likes than you. 

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#33 - 2012-03-09 00:44:17 UTC
Did you guys see the last trailer? Where they nuked the Moros from the surface?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI

So now, take a mental picture. Your I-Hub is at a planet. Before they can take your TCU, they need to kill your I-Hub. Before they can bring your Station out of immunity, they need to kill your TCU after they Kill your I-Hub.

There are 2000 marines on the I-Hub planet, defending the OMGWTF Pwn-mobile that will one shot your Avatar if you even think about going near that I-Hub.

Have fun Lol
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#34 - 2012-03-09 01:39:56 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Pay to win is not the problem; we already have that with PLEX. The problem with MT (as implemented in NEX and other games) is that it injects items (or in-game currency) directly into the game bypassing the whole player driven economy. I don't see that problem with the Dust-link so far.


I agree that item stores which bypass the player driven economy would be a bad thing.
Gilbarun
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-03-09 02:24:29 UTC
Just confirming dust players who will buy their guns, tanks and dropsuits with isk will never ever be able to buy a plex from ccp and sell it on the market

I expect plex prices to go down, and not just a little bit

Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#36 - 2012-03-09 02:33:00 UTC
Gilbarun wrote:
Just confirming dust players who will buy their guns, tanks and dropsuits with isk will never ever be able to buy a plex from ccp and sell it on the market

I expect plex prices to go down, and not just a little bit



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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-09 02:38:26 UTC
Given that DUST 514 soldiers are firing guns the size of their arm and we are firing guns the size buildings, what might be considered a lot of money to a DUST player would probably be pocket change for us.

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Gilbarun
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-09 02:58:44 UTC
I expect a fully fitted standard dropsuit to cost 10.000 isk MAX, tanks and air vehicles for maybe 200.000 MAX so an hour of casual pewpew should not exceed maybe 10m isk

the cost comes mainly from the price of the cloning technology.

Btw: as long as the two markets are connected there will also be rich dust mercs.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#39 - 2012-03-09 07:07:28 UTC
Did you hear? Supposedly the Americans never went to the MOON.

My mind is blown.

Nyan

Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#40 - 2012-03-09 07:30:29 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Did you hear? Supposedly the Americans never went to the MOON.

My mind is blown.


It was performed in the same hangar where they keep the 1947 Roswell alien craft and trained the secret Kennedy sniper. 100% factually true.

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