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Official Recantation of Previous Opposition to Nation
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Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-09-22 11:09:23 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:


Dont encourage him, he'll actually take this as a sign that his hissy fit is worth a damn.


Maybe - but perhaps not for the reasons he thinks it is, He'll work it out one way or the other.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2011-09-22 12:41:33 UTC
Siding with the Nation seems to be the current highly fashionable (and short lived) thing to do since the incursions have begun.
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#23 - 2011-09-22 13:27:39 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Siding with the Nation seems to be the current highly fashionable (and short lived) thing to do since the incursions have begun.


This is because capsuleers who side with Nation eventually find themselves dealing with thieves and morons (Ghost Hunter, Drake Arson, IzzyChan). Leadership is passive, incompetent, and dishonest. Kuvakei could've done something about that, but chose to ignore certain concerns. Sadly, refusing to deal with these idiotic leadership figures meant no more direct communication with official Nation representitives, making further service a disheartening prospect.

**** them all, and any idiot who serves them.

♥
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#24 - 2011-09-22 13:42:24 UTC
Ikarus

We are saddened to see another promising capsuleer turn against reason.
Your traitorous acts have been noted.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.
Myxx
The Scope
#25 - 2011-09-22 14:19:13 UTC
Ikarus,

You know not what you do or who you put yourself within arms reach of, for this you can be forgiven, I doubt you know what exactly you're doing. For that, I cannot and will not hold it against you. That said, Arkady, Yuni and Wedgetail have said all that needs to be said. If you truly mean what you say, then you've forced my hand and I cannot consider you anything but a threat that needs to be delt with swiftly and harshly.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#26 - 2011-09-22 14:19:21 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
Ikarus

We are saddened to see another promising capsuleer turn against reason.
Your traitorous acts have been noted.

We Return.


Oh, what is this? This almost sounded like a threat. I didn't know you had it in you, that is almost cute.

And It isn't turning against reason at all, you logic is flawed, perhaps you require maintenance? I hear the good people in T-8UOF would be willing to examine you, and see to it that you see True Reason. You simply don't understand what is best for people, allow yourself to be enlightened.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#27 - 2011-09-22 16:11:59 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
Only the Master has the knowledge and power to unite the races of humanity against the forces that would tear it apart.


So the drones keep spouting, I've yet to see any credentials that make him worthy of such a post. He's a delusioned raving lunatic who didn't have the good grace to stay dead.

Quote:
Furthermore, I also apologize to Nation and Slave Tama01 for my leading role in destroying her Chimera in Aidart in YC 112.08.05.


She doesn't need your apology, she can't think for herself to be offended in the first place.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Cmdr Baxter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-09-22 17:29:08 UTC
An unsurprising turn of events. Yet another capsuleer without the stomach - and backbone - for a long, drawn-out war, settles for fleeing into the enemy camp. Nobody likes, or fully trusts, a turncoat. Write back in six months to tell us just how much of your Master's trust you've earned, Gaul. Although just how much of "you" remains will be open to debate. Implants and behavioral reconditioning do have that effect ...

Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)

Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord
Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
#29 - 2011-09-22 17:36:04 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:

you logic is flawed

A baseless claim, unless you prove any fallacies were commited by Yuni. And trust me, Val, I understand logic. Tread carefully.

ValentinaDLM wrote:

You simply don't understand what is best for people, allow yourself to be enlightened.


And you do, O Enlightened One?


Val...while I'm glad you are no longer as confused as you were just a few weeks ago, the direction you're turning in is perilous. Again I say: tread carefully and with humility.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#30 - 2011-09-22 18:51:49 UTC
Cmdr Baxter wrote:
... Nobody likes, or fully trusts, a turncoat. Write back in six months to tell us just how much of your Master's trust you've earned, Gaul...


I harbour no illusions in that regard. It may in fact take longer, working for his lowest-level functionaries in True Power, to achieve trust.

In the meantime, Nation's progress will drive on ... but yes, I would be pleased to update all interested parties in six months.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#31 - 2011-09-22 18:57:03 UTC
Myxx wrote:
Ikarus,

You know not what you do or who you put yourself within arms reach of, for this you can be forgiven, I doubt you know what exactly you're doing. For that, I cannot and will not hold it against you. That said, Arkady, Yuni and Wedgetail have said all that needs to be said. If you truly mean what you say, then you've forced my hand and I cannot consider you anything but a threat that needs to be delt with swiftly and harshly.


You will do what you feel you must, of that I rest assured. It is unfortunate... I would much prefer that you embrace Nation willingly.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#32 - 2011-09-22 19:03:19 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Siding with the Nation seems to be the current highly fashionable (and short lived) thing to do since the incursions have begun.


No, the highly fashionable and typical thing to do has been to follow the ISK. As has most often been the case amongst capsuleers. CONCORD's dangling of lucre in front of your noses to deal with a problem it can't effectively counter itself assured that.

Still, some will refrain from enjoining the commercialization and pursue action based on higher motivations.
Cmdr Baxter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-09-22 19:18:58 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
... As has most often been the case amongst capsuleers. CONCORD's dangling of lucre in front of your noses to deal with a problem it can't effectively counter itself assured that.

Still, some will refrain from enjoining the commercialization and pursue action based on higher motivations.

Trying to rationalize your defection, through Nation propaganda, Gaul? It certainly didn't take long for you to begin spouting what we've seen for the last nine months.

CONCORD levied capsuleers into a proxy military force. One of the first rules of warfare is to adapt to changing situations. Someone, probably in the Inner Circle, was well aware of this and successfully adapted existing systems to what would have otherwise been a desperate tactical situation. For such a masterful play, they have my respect. At one stroke CONCORD set back Kuvakei's plans by at least nine months, and bought breathing room for the five empires and baseliners everywhere.

But going beynd this, was it frustration at CONCORD's preservation of the "status quo" of the last nine months that drove you into the Nation camp, I wonder? Or was it the fact that everywhere you looked, all you saw was capsuleers blindly following a trail of ISK, and thus fighting against what you apparently view as inevitable? The fact that Kuvakei brings chaos with him (and openly champions it), and CONCORD guards and maintains an elaborate system of chaos, appears not to have factored into your logic.

Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)

Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#34 - 2011-09-22 20:11:42 UTC
ValentinaDLM wrote:
Unit XS365BT wrote:
Ikarus

We are saddened to see another promising capsuleer turn against reason.
Your traitorous acts have been noted.

We Return.


Oh, what is this? This almost sounded like a threat. I didn't know you had it in you, that is almost cute.

And It isn't turning against reason at all, you logic is flawed, perhaps you require maintenance? I hear the good people in T-8UOF would be willing to examine you, and see to it that you see True Reason. You simply don't understand what is best for people, allow yourself to be enlightened.



A threat Valentina? I never make threats.
The wages of traitorous activity, are death.

We note all such activity.
We also note that you are no longer an unofficial fan of Hybrid controller Kuvakei.

We Return.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-09-22 20:50:51 UTC
With all due respect Ms. Valentina, that sounded an awful lot more like a threat than Unit XS365BT's statement.
And once again with all due respect, I don't think you exactly qualify to tell people what is best for them. Not only are you a self-hating traitor to your own race, you are borderline-traiterous to your faith with the Amarr. I endeavor to understand why, but am thrust back when I see you make hypocritical statements like this.

I apologize if this seems vindictive, snippy, or judgmental. I just say what I feel.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#36 - 2011-09-23 10:11:06 UTC
Cmdr Baxter wrote:
... The fact that Kuvakei brings chaos with him (and openly champions it), and CONCORD guards and maintains an elaborate system of chaos, appears not to have factored into your logic.


The chaos to which you refer is merely transitional. When all is done, this will be a more orderly and sane universe.
Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2011-09-23 10:51:17 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
Cmdr Baxter wrote:
... The fact that Kuvakei brings chaos with him (and openly champions it), and CONCORD guards and maintains an elaborate system of chaos, appears not to have factored into your logic.


The chaos to which you refer is merely transitional. When all is done, this will be a more orderly and sane universe.


Further proving my point that you are too afraid to face what is - that you run from it with what little strength you do have.

I pity you - for confusing order with stagnation.
Ikarus Gaul
S I G M A
#38 - 2011-09-23 11:00:51 UTC
Wedgetail wrote:
Further proving my point that you are too afraid to face what is - that you run from it with what little strength you do have.
I pity you - for confusing order with stagnation.


You confuse chaos with innovation... mere quantity and higher frequency of "newness" is not a valid criterion for judging efficacy. Stochastic human systems are not inherently better at development and progress than highly-ordered ones. I have yet to hear a valid argument that an orderly system is equivalent to a static system.
Wedgetail
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2011-09-23 11:13:07 UTC
Ikarus Gaul wrote:
Wedgetail wrote:
Further proving my point that you are too afraid to face what is - that you run from it with what little strength you do have.
I pity you - for confusing order with stagnation.


You confuse chaos with innovation... mere quantity and higher frequency of "newness" is not a valid criterion for judging efficacy. Stochastic human systems are not inherently better at development and progress than highly-ordered ones. I have yet to hear a valid argument that an orderly system is equivalent to a static system.



do you know why innovation occurs? do you know what causes it? i Imagine you do or at least you should if you've paid even a moment's thought into the idea <-- oh whoops gave it away, my bad. :)

What Kuvakei creates is not order - it is stagnation. he does not foster new ideas he silences them. where to pool ripples he stills it. I would sooner face destruction from whatever unseen force you are all so readily wetting yourselves in fear of then see our species reduced to such a worthless state.

You however are already too blinded, your mind too limited to see anything beyond the most simple of crayon pictures. so i doubt you will be able to comprehend the meaning in this post any better than you could my more detailed ones.

I will leave you to ruin yourself however you see fit if that is your choice - I doubt Kuvakei will even need to waste the time hacking out your brain to limit your capacity to think as he does with the others, you're already incapable :)
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#40 - 2011-09-23 13:34:23 UTC
Jason Galente wrote:
With all due respect Ms. Valentina, that sounded an awful lot more like a threat than Unit XS365BT's statement.
And once again with all due respect, I don't think you exactly qualify to tell people what is best for them. Not only are you a self-hating traitor to your own race, you are borderline-traiterous to your faith with the Amarr. I endeavor to understand why, but am thrust back when I see you make hypocritical statements like this.

I apologize if this seems vindictive, snippy, or judgmental. I just say what I feel.


A Threat oh heavens no, I was merely trying to get our unit friend to go to someone who can better describe the best interests of humanity to her. I am only trying to look out for people. All of my actions are being motivated by my own sense of goodwill towards others, even if that isn't terribly clear from the outside.

I don't buy the self hating thing either, the more I think about it, I am one of the few of my background who really wants to do what is good for everyone rather than just a tribe or a family, so they are wrong and I am right. Merely they make me look bad you see, it makes it difficult sometimes to have associations with my own race at times, but it isn't that I am self hating, it is they are too shortsighted and selfish.

As far a treachery to the empire goes, I don't shoot fellow ships in the Crusade, and I do shoot them from the Tribal Liberation Force, this seems to be fine more or less to the Empire. I don't think they really expect too much more out of capsuleers, after all I have been faithless for some time now, that doesn't mean I can't appreciate or defend faith though, merely I don't have it. As far as other sovereign entities I preform work for, I generally decline such work against the Amarr empire as it would be a conflict of interest, so you see no treachery is involved and everyone benefits.

And Jason no need to apologize, from your limited perspective of my activities, I am sure I look like a beacon of hypocrisy.