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Automated spam mails by CSM cantidates allowed?

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#141 - 2012-03-08 10:23:56 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

that happens when you automate stuff..

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#142 - 2012-03-08 10:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Powers
riverini wrote:

Trebor, at least now I see you hold a special (and desperate) interest in clawing yourself to your current CSM post, at all cost. I'll find the reason.

As much as i don't like the spam and how CCP is handling it, because im kinda convinced Trebor automated things,
i have to say that he in all cases makes or would make a better CSM than you.

The Issue i'm having is more with CCPs behaviour in this story, turning a blind eye on someone doing stuff that they dont allow others todo - the CSM originally was found to give players a way to check if CCP is practising favoritism for any bloc in the game, but that purpose has long been forgotten. Still a shame CCP seems to practise this for CSM members now.

You implying that Trebor has something to hide there is kinda funny, you should look at Trebors history, and even if i don't agree with his approaches, i can respect how much work he puts into the CSM.

At least his motivation is not to get a place in CSM to have more people go to his website and click on banners,
and we all know who's driven by that motivation, right, riverini?

well the post is exemplary for the kind of "news" your website stands for, made up stuff that fits the interest of the inventor. I have not forgotten your speech about "implied evidence" about russians botting, and then publishing an article on what bots are and how to keep bot save on your website.
Even if the article has been removed meanwhile, the internet does not forget, everyone who googles its title (not mentioning it here, since you have done enough damage to the game allready) is still able to find your guide.

If you ask me, you should never have been allowed as a candidate.

You attacking Trebor in this light looks alot more desperate - than what Trebor did - to me.

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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#143 - 2012-03-08 10:47:37 UTC
failing at editing =)

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Aiifa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-03-08 12:24:01 UTC
Seems Trebor had his demographic all along: jita spammers.

How could you forget the jita spammers, Trebor. Shame on you. Sad

If you get on the CSM I hope you advocate for the return of freeform contracts and the old more confusing font.
Macon Chalaise
VNM Biological Survey Corps
#145 - 2012-03-08 14:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Macon Chalaise
So...A space man in a space game uses automated space communication to promote his space political platform and people freak out and get angry?

What an utter and complete waste of time and energy...only the people who choose to feel badly about it, feel badly about it.

MMOs seem to be a clearing house for persons not only vigilant for offense but ready to embrace said offense with the greatest enthusiasm and embrace it like an addict embraces the rock.

Spam emails are not new, in fact according this games timeline they are about, oh, 21,000+ years old.

He only sent them once of which I know.

Don't worry. Be happy!Big smile

P.S. Not that I advocate it but It's odd enough not having the automated mining that would surely exist in such a modern, automated society.Pirate

Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast
Laechyd Eldgorn
Avanto
Hole Control
#146 - 2012-03-08 14:59:36 UTC
There's no way I'd vote Trebor but just sending one mail for everyone isn't really spam. (in this case since it's CSM election advert)

I confirm there was a good bunch of bitches spamming response button for no good reason though. Most of them probably goons or goon alts. So go figure who's spamming.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#147 - 2012-03-08 16:01:07 UTC
Laechyd Eldgorn wrote:
There's no way I'd vote Trebor but just sending one mail for everyone isn't really spam. (in this case since it's CSM election advert)

I confirm there was a good bunch of bitches spamming response button for no good reason though. Most of them probably goons or goon alts. So go figure who's spamming.





Quote:
Spam is the use of electronic messaging systems (including most broadcast media, digital delivery systems) to send unsolicited bulk messages indiscriminately. While the most widely recognized form of spam is e-mail spam, the term is applied to similar abuses in other media: instant messaging spam, Usenet newsgroup spam, Web search engine spam, spam in blogs, wiki spam, online classified ads spam, mobile phone messaging spam, Internet forum spam, junk fax transmissions, social networking spam, television advertising and file sharing network spam. It is named for Spam, a luncheon meat, by way of a Monty Python sketch in which Spam is included in almost every dish.


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riverini
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2012-03-08 18:31:45 UTC  |  Edited by: riverini
Peter Powers wrote:
Words.


Peter you have always struck me as a angst filled resented person and I find a world of solace in the fact that my existence and Eve News24 existence is something that has always grind your gears.

I have mentioned more than once the correlation of the readership of Eve News24 as a byproduct of increasing the Eve Online population, which I don't find conflicting with CCP Games. Eve-Kill, which is an organization closer to you will benefit for this just as many other third party outfits.

I know your extreme lack of computer knowledge might give you a hard time differentiating a an article on how to setup a VPN with a botting article. A communication channel was open to CCP, they advised us not to publish it and we complied. We made a lot of noise, raised the awareness on the issue and we don't regret on never putting out the actual guides, given the CCP's work on bot control.

I was allowed to run and many Raiden. members have chivalrously expressed their support and send an "3 votes for you" evemail, what ever the result of the election; they have my never ending gratitude.

Again, you aversion means a world to me, I have created a long lasting impression on you, whether you feel good or bad about it.

I'll try to solve this Trebor puzzle. I do agree with you on the suspicions that an automated method might be used. But I think we'll never know.

Am also obliged to agree with your definition of spam. And at least to us we couldn't shake a sense of favoritism in the way the GM acted. I do understand the fact that the damage is done, a lack of an admonition is what troubles me.

RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24
Katherine Starlight
Doomheim
#149 - 2012-03-09 05:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherine Starlight
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

I'm perfectly fine with that -- and btw, direct outreach via evemail has been used in prior elections.

It is no secret that I think there are serious flaws in the CSM voting mechanic, and that discussions about changing it will be a priority for me if I get re-elected. If a reasonably fair election environment can be worked out that permits some sort of balanced direct outreach, then I'd have no problems with additional restrictions on evemailing by candidates.

BTW, Ender Black totally put the issue in the right perspective in this blog post.


Is there any way to report you for spamming, linking to third party sites telling one to log in with all ones accounts to vote for you etc. You look like a scammer, why would anyone want you as CSM when you try to steal our accounts.

You will never ever have my vote, you have prooven yourself to be worthless thrash politican that only care bout PR.
discordigant
Doomheim
#150 - 2012-03-09 05:58:47 UTC
Posting in a Test/Goon pet BUTTHURT thread. LolLol

Ohh wait i got one single spam mail from this Trebor madman too. how can i ever cope with this invasion of my privacy and my time?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-03-09 06:00:06 UTC
Ender Black wrote:
When did mass mailing become spam? Just show me on the doll where trebor touched you. ITT people are the dumb.


^^ THIS ^^

You people got a single evemail per character. Delete it and move on. It's not a big deal.

People get into uncontrollable tizzies over nothing around here.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#152 - 2012-03-09 06:06:35 UTC
Katherine Starlight wrote:
Is there any way to report you for spamming, linking to third party sites telling one to log in with all ones accounts to vote for you etc. You look like a scammer, why would anyone want you as CSM when you try to steal our accounts.

You will never ever have my vote, you have prooven yourself to be worthless thrash politican that only care bout PR.

Hey look, someone who doesn't know how forwarding works.

Nyan
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#153 - 2012-03-09 06:11:12 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
One thing I would like to clarify is that the mails to the Goons (and some other nullsec blocs) were accidental.

After I had compiled my list, I filtered it by estimated priority, and obviously people in Goonswarm aren't going to vote for me, so they and others ended up at the bottom of the list. But somehow they didn't get deleted.

If it's any consolation, this caused me to (a) waste several hours and (b) receive quite a large number of EVEmails from aggrieved goons. Some of them were quite eloquent and enlarged my vocabulary.


I wasn't really going to care about all this, I spoke with you a year ago when you did the same thing, and expressly asked you to never contact me through the method of massmailings ever again. Obviously, this was flatout ignored - with a grin no less.

I somehow find it funny that you claim to only be doing it as you're one of two without a block supporting your cause already(Yes, I actually did read some of what you posted, silly me).
Quote:
"The bloc candidates, of course, have their blocs to vote for them, and the other strong candidates either had mini-blocs or "functional" constituencies (such as Two step with wormholes and Hans with Factional Warfare). But I have always been a general candidate, attempting to represent the broader interests of the entire community, so I needed a way to reach my more diffuse constituency."


Yet, you go on to contact all of factional warfare, all of many of the other blocks. More ironicly this character who's not only part of one of your alleged blocks - but again - expressly asked not to be contacted, which you promised not to. But I'm sure you did indeed seek out the names and enter them all manually, how else would you include everyone you inteded not to.

I don't really care about a random mail being sent out, but now you're just being silly and disrespectul. In my eve.

As for the rules regarding massmailings, I guess this means I will be running next year. Regardless of wether I want to participate in the CSM or not, the advertising opportunities involved in this are phenomenal. Plenty of people would be willing to give me a cut on their sales if mailed thousands and thousands of players their contracts, scams and stores. In fact, I'll see what can be done about having kids, pets, grandparents and whoever else I might come across to participate in the elections, so that I can get my spam out so many more times.

Oh, and that reminds me, any of the current CSM willing to sell me some advertising space in their spam mails before they send them out? I'll pay per thousand recipients.
None ofthe Above
#154 - 2012-03-09 06:46:48 UTC
You know, I am actually getting a lot more irritated with the fools cross-posting on every bloody thread than bothered by one evemail per alt.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
#155 - 2012-03-09 10:13:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Peter Powers
riverini wrote:
stuff


nice try to deflect. your answer is just proof to what i wrote about you.

when en24 was started i was excited about it, thought it was a good chance to get independend news in eve.
little did i know - quite soon you managed to make it worse than all tabloids, by taking on the sides that promised
you most readers, by making news, rather than reporting, by falsifying information just they fit the image of those
that you want to reach.

i'm friends with the guys of eve-kill, to which you came for help when you got ddosed,
and thats the second thing that helped make my mind about you - you came there claiming the russians would ddos you,
after a while you said you traced the ddos to somewhere in the united stats, but you still stuck with 'the russians are responsible'

and the 'benefit' you claim for 'third party outfits' - i don't "benefit", and i can remember when you said you don't want adverts on evenews24 - today i see 6 when i got to the front page.

your statement about my extreme lack of computer knowledge is a direct lie. but that kinda fits the style that i wrote about before, doesn't it?

Your article clearly stated the botting intention in the title. and even the subtitles give it away as it contained links to tools to create bots - the vpn section was the smallest part.

you claim you didn't publish it, copies of it are still on the net

Claiming Raiden. members "supporting" you is a lie - and you know it.
we internally discussed on what candidates we would want to vote for,
and not one did mention you as a serious option to vote for.

Supporting someone in an election is something you do public,
if you want to see who Raiden. supports you just have to read this forum,
there is a post from our Leadership that endorses Elise Randolph - who to my knowledge
is not anything close to you.

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riverini
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2012-03-09 11:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: riverini
You got excited until things went awry for IT alliance and we reported on how goons wipe that alliance out. I still got the angry emails you sent. The alliance disband, you want me to keep it quiet, I don't comply and you claim we are falsifying intel for not sprinkling our pieces with IT alliance damage control.

Peter Powers wrote:


i'm friends with the guys of eve-kill, to which you came for help when you got ddosed,
and thats the second thing that helped make my mind about you - you came there claiming the russians would ddos you,
after a while you said you traced the ddos to somewhere in the united stats, but you still stuck with 'the russians are responsible'


We didn't ask, Karb offered it - he is a great guy. The final story, months after the DDoS subsided was White Noise paid USD 2,000/mo to take down EN24, one of the controlling machines were in Canada. It was george nada who "tracked" the controlled machine. Karb, offered to help with the DDoS and we gave it a try. Eve-Kill couldn't handle 5 mins of traffic. I still appreciate Karb's offering for help

Peter Powers wrote:


and the 'benefit' you claim for 'third party outfits' - i don't "benefit", and i can remember when you said you don't want adverts on evenews24 - today i see 6 when i got to the front page.


pay my billsa and i'll throw the banners. Three of which generate only in-game income to pay for writers. I love the surprise in their faces when they realize we pay 20x what eve tribune used to pay them. I keep none. Last month we sent out 12.5bil plus an archon.

The other 2 banners, help me pay part of the hosting and cloud balancers. Some months i break even, but en24 has always come to me as an expensive side-hobby. The shattered crystal one? not worth it, why else you think eve-metrics closed?

What I do know is that we are one of the biggest referrers to eve-kill, something i feel proud off actually. Cool

Peter Powers wrote:

your statement about my extreme lack of computer knowledge is a direct lie. but that kinda fits the style that i wrote about before, doesn't it?


I knew you would fall for this troll after chest-beating you wrote a piece of the php code or something, now I know for a fact that u are mad.

Peter Powers wrote:

Your article clearly stated the botting intention in the title. and even the subtitles give it away as it contained links to tools to create bots - the vpn section was the smallest part.


OFC, and "E" was the guy slated to write the guides independently from me. I learned a lot about how things work in there. He got pretty pissed off when he found my change of heart and started his own website. He is now an EULA erudite or at least claims to.

link them, all talk no walk dude.

Peter Powers wrote:

Claiming Raiden. members "supporting" you is a lie - and you know it.
we internally discussed on what candidates we would want to vote for,
and not one did mention you as a serious option to vote for.

Supporting someone in an election is something you do public,
if you want to see who Raiden. supports you just have to read this forum,
there is a post from our Leadership that endorses Elise Randolph - who to my knowledge
is not anything close to you. Shocked


Because everyone in Raiden is a resented drone just like you, correct?

Good luck with Elise, he has been doing an amazing job taking care of Raiden.'s interests. Three super-capitals nerfs in the last year, titan tracking close to get another whack?

Your guys know this very well and some aren't very keen on supporting Elise and by this i don't mean they are turncoating to other candidates, but they are thinking twice before hitting "vote". Apart from yourself, Finfleet struck me as a corp filled with cool people specially Hawk. But here we are, derailing a post on spam because 10 months ago you got mad at an article we wrote on your crumbling alliance and you seem to have not gotten over it yet.

Get help.

RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24
Mintrolio
Doomheim
#157 - 2012-03-09 11:25:11 UTC
CONFRIMIGN APARENT IS ALLOW

I ALSO HAFIGN MANY CCCP ON MINE LIST. PREAPARE TO HAFIGN EVEMAILS.

ALSO ACORD TO EULA 1 PER DAY, PER PERSON IS RESONABEL. I START TO SEND TOMORRWO - IN MINE ONW LANAGAGE.

1 PER DAY EV DAY. YOU SAY IT IS OK.

ALSO THENK YOU.

KEEP UP GOOD SPAMMIGN!


MINTROLIO FUR CSM7
riverini
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#158 - 2012-03-09 11:28:04 UTC
Mintrolio wrote:
CONFRIMIGN APARENT IS ALLOW

I ALSO HAFIGN MANY CCCP ON MINE LIST. PREAPARE TO HAFIGN EVEMAILS.

ALSO ACORD TO EULA 1 PER DAY, PER PERSON IS RESONABEL. I START TO SEND TOMORRWO - IN MINE ONW LANAGAGE.

1 PER DAY EV DAY. YOU SAY IT IS OK.

ALSO THENK YOU.

KEEP UP GOOD SPAMMIGN!





I'll be looking forward for your glorious piece of spam. ShockedRoll

RIVERINI / EVENEWS24 @evenews24
Mintrolio
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-03-09 11:28:28 UTC
CONFRIMIGN ALSO MINE CAMPAIGNE FUR CSM 8 START IN 7 DAY - 1 EMAIL / DAY FUR 365 DAY.

ALSO I HOPE YOU IS SUR IS OK - YOU SETTIGN PRESIDIDENT SAY IS OK.

CURRANT STUPID FACE HAIR CSM CHAIR KNOWIGN ALL ABOUT SETTIGN PRESIDIDENT I AM SURE - PLESE ASKGN HIM TO CHECK AGAINS YOU EULA - YOU SETTIGN NASTY PRESIDIDENT.

GOOD LUCK

MINTROLIO FUR CSM7
Mintrolio
Doomheim
#160 - 2012-03-09 11:45:51 UTC