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nullsec angel complexes...

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Maureen Biologist
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-08 18:50:56 UTC
Hiya guys, can anyone give me a ship that would give me reasonable iskies/hour in angels space that doesnt cost billions?

I'd prefer to spend less than 500m on the ship, but I don't want to use a maelstrom. I can fly anything sub-t2 BS except loki/proteus... I've heard that sleipnir probably wont have dps for higher bs's, and tbh fitting one well enough to tank them would cost as much as a dual small repper tengu (about 1b), which is the sort of cost I'm trying to avoid.

I don't have t2 sentries, otherwise I would suggest ishtar or gila?... I have t2 heavies however.

Any help/advice is appreciated. I have no experience with the nullsec instant sites and I don't want to shell out for the sort of ships (marauders ++) that corp mates seem to use. Would like something functional to work until then.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#2 - 2012-03-08 19:49:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Ayeipsia
Um... Kill BS rats in the belts with a hound.

High: launchers, covert ops cloak, and an auto cannon (helps take out frigs that may scram u.)
Mids: medium shield extender, Target painter, afterburner (no mwd,you want to speed tank)
Lows: ballistic control, nano or any fitting mods u need.
Rigs: shield resist, polycarbs, or loading bat accelorator.

Use faction or t1 ammo (t1 is cheaper but less dps)

This ship setup is around 30 mil in high sec, possibly more in nul. Still, you can clear belt rats while working towards a better ship. You can cloak and run if needed, and if lost, won't hurt your wallet as much.

Edit: angels, not blood raider so you want a hound. Sorry. Still, same slot layout, just uses explosive damage.
Maureen Biologist
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-08 20:02:09 UTC
cheers for the response, but I'm fairly sure there is some middle ground between a 30m isk sb and a 1b isk (minimum) tengu/marauder/machariel...
NateX
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-08 23:00:29 UTC
Emperor Salazar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-09 02:37:25 UTC
isk/hr and exploration do not go hand in hand
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#6 - 2012-03-09 05:29:30 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
isk/hr and exploration do not go hand in hand


lol, I knew Salazar was going to post this. Explore for fun, don't try to turn it into ISK/h (since the standard deviation is so high that any 'average' is pretty much meaningless).
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#7 - 2012-03-09 20:08:17 UTC
Why not a raven? It has a large enough drone bay to for a flight of small and medium drones. The tank is already biased towards resisting explosive damage, and the ship bonuses are not based on missile type, letting you use explosive damage cruise missiles.

lows would be DC II, balistic controls, and fitting/power mods.
Mods would include afterburner, Target painter, shield extenders, and an invulnerable field. Or maybe an active shield tank.
Highs, cruise launchers. I think you can do 6 and still squeeze in a salvager and tractor beam.
Rigs would be cap, shield, or missile.

Net cost would probably be under 200 mil, but should do the trick.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#8 - 2012-03-10 01:46:56 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
isk/hr and exploration do not go hand in hand


lol, I knew Salazar was going to post this. Explore for fun, don't try to turn it into ISK/h (since the standard deviation is so high that any 'average' is pretty much meaningless).

Heh, yeah, I think the OP was using it in very general terms though. Calculating average isk/hour in exploration obviously has a massive margin of error, and isn't a lot of use unless you're trying to predict how much you'll make in the next 100 hours you play the game...

...BUT, when using it as a general term you can still pretty much say "more" or "less" with certainty. For example I don't have any idea how much isk/hour I make running blood complexes, but I could make a pretty convincing argument that it's more than I'd make running incursion or clearing C3s.

tl;dr Salazar is an angry, angry man and should stop flaming newbies over semantics and begin flaming them for expecting decent isk/hour in anoms when they don't want to fly a decent ship.

Oh yeah, also the OP said instant sites. So I'm guessing he meant anoms, so the entire isk/hour thing, and my rant, was completely pointless. Fuuuuuuuuu OP.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#9 - 2012-03-10 03:05:23 UTC
Just because the Mael looks like a beaten dog doesnt mean you shouldn;t use it. If you REALLY dont like it you can use the lospdied birdy with torpedos and an AB+TP
Windorian
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-10 06:14:07 UTC
The sleipnir works just fine. The main thing is to take out high DPS ships first and keep moving to mitigate dmg. Only really expensive gear you'd need is the shield booster and the shield boost amp. You can build a sleipnir capable of doing anything 8/10 and below for under 500 mil.

Rattlesnake is another good choice for the cheap as the hull and fittings together would still be under 500 mil, and you can achieve a MUCH higher tank, but it's a totally different play style and a big beast of a ship that takes forever to align.

An Ishtar/Gila *could* work, but it would gimp your DPS application by a large margin since the 500 DPS from heavies would be effectively hitting like a 200 DPS drake including flight time. You also would not be able to kill the overseer in anything higher then a 5/10.
Emperor Salazar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-10 21:02:11 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=mxzf]

tl;dr Salazar is an angry, angry man and should stop flaming newbies over semantics and begin flaming them for expecting decent isk/hour in anoms when they don't want to fly a decent ship..


angry? hardly...I just enjoy belittling stupid people...how else are they going to know they're stupid and do something to change it?

also, you are for some reason assuming I am a man

What if I'm really a woman?
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#12 - 2012-03-11 21:51:48 UTC
[Tengu, L4 Basic]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Trauma Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Medium Warhead Flare Catalyst I

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

good dps, capstable and far less expensive than 1bil...
and yes it tanks sanctums.
Maureen Biologist
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-13 00:28:36 UTC
Cheers for the responses. My bad in OP I was referring to the instant sites in 0.0 (sanctums, havens etc etc) and not exploration plexes.

I actually settled on a tengu fit pretty close to the one listed above: 1 less explo hardener, 1 extra small shield booster. still cap stable otherwise essentially the same.