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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3481 - 2012-03-07 19:48:00 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Sozzac wrote:
CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no
live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept


lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.



Over extending with too many other resources in unlaunched cash sink games is what cost them 20% of their employees, not ambulation no matter how many times you claim it was ambulation.

And I bet I've been playing Eve longer than you so yes, I know eve wasn't launched yesterday. You know once there were huge companies making things like ice boxes and buggy whips, not so many no, maybe evolving and changing is a GOOD thing.

Issler
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3482 - 2012-03-07 21:08:22 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it.

I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna".

You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us.


Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3483 - 2012-03-07 21:15:11 UTC
Lol jk no one wanted Incarna.

No one that matters, that is.

No seriously, all you guys who claim to need WiS, wtf do you do when playing Eve? Do laps of the captains quarters?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3484 - 2012-03-07 21:22:14 UTC
Funny how all my ignored users are from this thread... Roll
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3485 - 2012-03-07 21:22:54 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


I think that people who want WiS are incredibly patient, provided how we are the guys who got the new broken feature that may take years to fix, if it ever is fixed, and who can't even play with it.

I am aware that CCP has got a gazillion more pressing matters, but it would not be wise at all for us to leave the field to trolls and allow CCP to forget about who they fukked the most and the deeper in june 2011: the people who actually wanted "Incarna".

You owe it to us, dudes. You seriously owe it to us.



I think what Karkur was referring to...(I could be wrong, it's all a little confusing) is the people who refuse to accept WiS at all and think everybody needs to work on FiS and only FiS.

I think people like that are self centered and ignorant.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Kukiri
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3486 - 2012-03-07 22:57:16 UTC
Hi

Time for my monthly post. I appreciate the fact that CCP employees are working overtime to get caught up. They are dedicated and obviously love the game to make that kind of effort and sacrifice.

Their employers, on the other hand, I have an issue with.

As I've said before I was created only because ambulation was announced and I was sold on the idea by the fantastic videos produced by CCP nearly four years ago. Four years. That's a long time to be promised something. I'd like to see some honest statements made about the future of walking in stations. Hiding behind your employee's dedication is not right. Using your employee's to garner sympathy while constantly reducing the size of the team is not right.

Just be up front for a change. Give us some solid information so the people who have been waiting on this can either be let down and get over it, or have something to look forward to. Don't just ignore us and hope we'll go away. That too, is not right.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3487 - 2012-03-08 14:26:55 UTC
Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore? I kinda feel like he might just be talking to himself in this thread...

I think we all need to just chill out a bit on the WiS topic. I am sure Team Avatar is reading our ideas and taking what they can to see what can be done with it. We will likely hear more information at Fanfest which is less than a month away.

Keep the ideas going in this thread. Ignore the trolls. Let them say what they want but lets not feed them. You aren't going to change thier minds and they wont change yours. Just move on.

Personally I cannot wait to see what Team Avatar comes up with. I would also like to reinforce that shooting people in the face while in station would be awesome! Look at how fun Mass Effect 3 is. Do that in EvE. Aw heck...

This goes out to Team Avatar and the rest of CCP. You put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to EvE like ME3 while in station and I guarantee you that not only will EvE kick even more ass than it does right now but you will draw in more subscribers. People like doing MMO stuff on the ground and even more so with a gun in hand and a face to shoot for both PvE and PvP. You want the ultimate space sim? That will be one HUGE step towards that end.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3488 - 2012-03-08 15:15:28 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore?


I have not, since I am open to listen to everyone's opinion on an open forum board.


Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Personally I cannot wait to see what Team Avatar comes up with. I would also like to reinforce that shooting people in the face while in station would be awesome! Look at how fun Mass Effect 3 is. Do that in EvE. Aw heck...

This goes out to Team Avatar and the rest of CCP. You put in a 3rd person shooter aspect to EvE like ME3 while in station and I guarantee you that not only will EvE kick even more ass than it does right now but you will draw in more subscribers. People like doing MMO stuff on the ground and even more so with a gun in hand and a face to shoot for both PvE and PvP. You want the ultimate space sim? That will be one HUGE step towards that end.


(Not directed at you Vertisce) Ironic - when I proposed that WIS should be skill based with various means of continuing the death and destruction of FIS, I was accused of promoting ganking with the idle threats how I will have swarms of newbies ready to gank me once I open my cell door. The cries of WIS should be a peaceful, Sims type atmosphere were radiated during this thread. Hell, I probably have been ignored by many posters in this thread with the troll label thrown upon me. All because I did not agree with the select few (more on that in a moment).

To Vertisce - glad you would not mind a blood and guts type game using our avatars! Big smile

While reading this thread over the months, the select few have mentioned that a huge / large number / majority of players want WIS and if CCP does not snap to it, this game is doomed soon. Like many others, whereas I would not mind an extension of gaming involving avatars, unless it has value and worth, standing around in fancy clothes with a trick bag of preset emote commands is not for me. But like many others, I do not want to see FIS suffer once again. So how much of the playerbase really wants to see a full-blown WIS experience? Whereas this is not concrete proof beyond all doubt, this is something to consider -

In the Eve Information Portal section are various threads. As of 15:00 gaming time, the raw page counts for various topical issues are as followed:

Rebalancing EVE, one ship at a time = 76 pages (skill readjustments and potential new prerequisite for ships).

What's in a name = 28 pages (renaming implants and modules).

Team Security - Banning Bad Guys and also Bad Guys = 17 pages (death to bots!!!).

Crucible 1.2 Feedback = 14 pages (expansion comments).

Introducing Team Avatar - the keymasters of bipedal gameplay = 14 pages (introduction and potential future avatar gaming).

The Feedback thread is the oldest, but has more overall views than Team Avatar, the next oldest thread. Again, this is not definitive proof beyond all doubt, but based on this thread overall and what is seen elsewhere, WIS may eventually be something, but not the "be all end all" others are hoping for here.

Thanks for reading.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3489 - 2012-03-08 15:24:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore? I kinda feel like he might just be talking to himself in this thread...


lol I blocked him weeks ago

I wonder if this thread will reach 200 pages...


Edit: PS. I'm willing to talk to Team Avatar on the behalf of the pro WIS community at fan fest. All i need is a donation of one plane ticket and one fan fest ticket... Contact me in game to discuss.
Taiwanistan
#3490 - 2012-03-09 04:13:53 UTC
the problem with wis combat, more specifically in the form of FPS or 3rd person shooter is the difficulty in setting ther severity of the conseuqnces of death.

it gets boring real quick if it is like COD where you can just derp around die a thousand deaths.
but conversely there are ppl like dededemichael cartman who whine about the need to JC out of his billion isk clone.

i think a viable solution would be to introduce "walking clones" that is seperate from the regular clones that preserve skillpoints.


you can jump into and out of your walking clone back to your spaceship main clone without the 24hr cool down.

walking clones would be relatively cheap like 10m or something and price does not increase whether you have 10m or 100m sps. the drawback is that when you are in your walking clone ofcourse your skills will train at base-rate and if you want you cheapo +2s.
the lore justification for walking clones is that your spaceship clone needs to hold the massive amounts of sps need for direct brain-control of ships systems, drones weapons etc, while your walking clone don't need to hold all that for walking around. perhaps this will open up a new skill tree of "ground-specific" skills (hopefully all rank1s) to be held exclusively by the walking clones.

i think i've made a best-effort to engage in discussion about wis, i don't know why i can't express my disdain for yet another moron who posts "hey lets just emote each other, look at facebook ipo ohhh social gaming let's have /dance /hug", which basically flies against the devs' directon and ignores every god damn thing that happened in the past year so who is really the troll here.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Cashantra
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3491 - 2012-03-09 07:41:32 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
it's CCP's poor implementation of Incarna's debut that was the problem.




tell me about it:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sheramil/sets/72157629101001470/

warning, the last image in that set is NSFW, even if it is a direct screenshot from the game.

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Shamistrudel > i've just realised that CCP could increase their monthly profits simply by moving everything ten km further apart.
Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#3492 - 2012-03-09 07:56:46 UTC
Unfortunatelly this link doesn't work for people, who have no account at flickr.com
Alyssa Cristole
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3493 - 2012-03-09 16:21:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alyssa Cristole
Go ahead and hate me, troll me in game, be a total a-hole all you want. I have come to expect it from some Eve players. While I agree that some in game flying in space aspects need to be worked out first, I am in full support of WIS and am excited for it to be included in the game. I think the Avatar team has come up with one of the most realistic character creators I have seen in an MMO and it would be a waste to let it just die. As a RL licensed Medic I was shocked at how atomically correct every aspect of the Avatar looked.

A lot of games get the arms wrong, making them too short and even though it looks a little funny from a third person prospective, they are 100% natural and true to real life. In fact, minus being able to choose your high character creation is almost perfect. I am sure if they wanted they could sell the rights to the character creator they have made, its that perfect. Having played, alpha/beta tested, or trial accounted an excessive amount of MMO's, I have yet to see one that has a true-to-life Avatar creation system as accurate as CCP has come up with in WIS. Even Second Life doesn't come close and won't until mesh becomes mainstream. Like it or hate it, you should at least respect what the CCP programmers have done with the character creator. From a programming prospective its very impressive and goes to show the Avatar team is very talented. I am not jerking anyone off with that statement either; just stating a fact.

There is a core Eve player basis that can't seem to accept or get through their thick skull there is (probably a majority too) amount of people who play this game that are not Griefer/PVP/0.0 players and enjoy other aspects of the game. Have you tried scanning for anomalies? The scanning system and hidden locations to explore is like no other aspect you can find in any MMO or even standalone game. Planetary interaction is complex and a lot of fun for those of us who also enjoy empire building in games like the "Total War" series.

I signed up for a trial account and a few days later 30 days paid. I decided that I would give Eve 30 days and then decide if it was worth playing. After day three I was about to walk away due to the successive amount of co.ksucker griefers that were trolling around in space. The game is not complicated to learn, especially with the enhanced new player experience, but I can see how dealing with a minority (you may be always in the spotlight and very vocal, but you ARE the minority) of a-holes in the game will turn would-be paying customers off to the game. In my case I ignored them and explored other aspects like PI, Exploration through scanning, etc and found a gem under all the rough. I just signed up for six months.

I hope WIS work continues and is released sooner then later. Even if we get some basic functionality for the time being, like plastic surgery (edit avatar), inviting people into our captains quarters, and a public space to sit down and just b.llshit with people in Avatar form rather then over a chat window. I think that's a good start that they can build on later. Eventually it would be cool to play a game of billiards and darts that both use the in game physics and are realistic. Gambling would be a lot of fun too with blackjack, poker, and slots. I would love to see player made stations set up as casino's.

What you (minority) of griefers don't realize is there is so much more to Eve already in the game thet you seem to refuse to explore, accept, or experience. That's your choice but don't for a second pretend other people who play don't want to see content other then PVP expanded upon in the game. Eve is not just a PVP game, its a sandbox experience. I don't care how long you have been playing and how new I am, get that into your fking heads. A SANDBOX GAME. PVP is just an intricate part of that SANDBOX. I have more then one person tell me to go play XYZ game if I don't understand how Eve works, well this time its right back at you; Go play "Guild Wars" that's 100% PVP (and nothing more) because there is plenty of Non-PVP content in Eve that people can, will, and do enjoy.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3494 - 2012-03-09 17:30:50 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Is there anybody that still hasn't placed Taiwanistan on ignore?


I thrive on having a target rich environment of morons to lead like lambs to the slaughter.

I can't even fathom blocking them. What would be the fun in that?

Mr Epeen Cool
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3495 - 2012-03-09 19:28:13 UTC
Supporters of ambulation I need your support!

I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.

A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!

I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!

Issler Dainze
The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate
Aida Nu
Perkone
Caldari State
#3496 - 2012-03-09 19:49:12 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Supporters of ambulation I need your support!

I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.

A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!

I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!

Issler Dainze
The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate


Have you seen my socks? i think i have misplaced them Sad
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#3497 - 2012-03-09 20:06:36 UTC
The only FPS ill ever accept on stations is from dust 514 taking over outposts.

FPS is below capsuleers.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.

Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3498 - 2012-03-09 21:38:12 UTC
Aida Nu wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Supporters of ambulation I need your support!

I appear to be the only CSM 7 candidate that will make more focus on ambulation a topic in the CSM 7 if elected.

A recent podcast blogger has been trying to put together a debate on ambulation and no CSM 6 member will even agree to participate! If CSM 7 is CSM with a new hat then they will be happy to bolt that door closed forever!

I have tried to keep politics out of this thread, but ambulation supports I need your votes! If you support my efforts to keep ambulation alive then please spread the word. Get out and vote so someday soon we can get out that door!

Issler Dainze
The only pro ambulation CSM 7 candidate


Have you seen my socks? i think i have misplaced them Sad



I'll keep an eye out for them.

Issler
Flamespar
WarRavens
#3499 - 2012-03-09 22:03:18 UTC
When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.

Incarna will be a link between the two games,

Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3500 - 2012-03-09 22:06:09 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
When it comes to dust players wanting to try out EVE, starting them out in an environment with which they are already familiar (ie an avatar) will help them make that transition.

Incarna will be a link between the two games,

Plus I want to be able to shoot mercs personally if they don't deliver on my contracts.




dustbunny execution in station ........................ i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!CoolCool and a extra emote for the goonsCool and another one Roll

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