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Valei Khurelem
#1 - 2012-03-08 13:45:51 UTC
Then make a seperate server so that people who enjoy the original version are still happy.

sincerely,

A Pre-Cu SWG player

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-08 13:49:34 UTC
What drastic changes are we talking about here? Slightly altering how the skill trees branch out is a normal change in every MMO, so you must not be talking about that.
Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-03-08 13:54:57 UTC
The BC and Destroyer skill changes make a lot of sense, no problem there. I didn't like the module and implant name changes at first but they do make it easier to distinguish between them and after all, they're only names.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-08 13:56:32 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Then make a seperate server so that people who enjoy the original version are still happy.

sincerely,

A Pre-Cu SWG player


If you don't like the changes then that only further reinforces my opinion that the changes are good.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-08 13:57:12 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Then make a seperate server so that people who enjoy the original version are still happy.

sincerely,

A Pre-Cu SWG player

Look, i see your worry, you were betrayed by SOE, i was in that same boat, finally ditched the agme a eyar after NGE.
but SOE is evil, they ruion things on purpose and dont listen to players EVER.

CCP isnt doing any "restructuring" of the game, they are changing the properties of 2 ship skills to make them more defined in purpose, which is a BOOST to the game.
and if your talking about it beinge asier to get into capitals? last i checked they DO want to require destroyers and battlecruisers to be trained to move up in the ship classes now, so it somewhat rebalances.

also, be glad CCP is at elast asking for opinions on the change before implementing it in any form, unlike SOE, who just royally ****** everyone because "hurr durr WoW is more popular, need to make a copy".

your over-reacting, its ok, eve isnt being killed, its still a sandbox, you can still gank in highsec, and CCP is not SOE.
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6 - 2012-03-08 13:59:57 UTC
How about they change the game, and also not give you a server. Does that work for you?

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Demolishar
United Aggression
#7 - 2012-03-08 14:00:35 UTC
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-08 14:07:45 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.


You are an idiot.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#9 - 2012-03-08 14:08:31 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Then make a seperate server so that people who enjoy the original version are still happy.

sincerely,

A Pre-Cu SWG player


You must be relatively new. There have been much larger changes in the past. Shuffling some skills around is minor compared to...

- nano nerf
- old 90% webbers, scrams shutting off mwd
- doubling ship ehp
- minmatard guns becoming winmatar guns
- and many others I can't think of right now

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-08 14:09:11 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.


And by nullifying he means "keeping everything as is" and by months of training he means "a few days, tops" and by introducing more he means "less than before". Also, by bad he means "necessary and very welcome".

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-08 14:10:14 UTC
What a serious pansy. Dude go change your diaper it's really full of *hit....
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#12 - 2012-03-08 14:10:19 UTC
Since Incarna some people seem to believe they only need to say "Im unhappy" and everybody knows whats what.

As far as Im concerned there are no planned updates right now that will make Eve worse, quite the contrary.

Yay 10 years! :D
Bubanni
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-08 14:11:32 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.


They already said they are considering giving people the skill they already trained for all 4 races, or if they dont do that... then give it to all the races you had trained at least lvl 3 cruiser to

so quit whineing already! this is an awesome change.. not as important as TIERICIDE! though

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Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-08 14:12:44 UTC
No one is going to stand between me and my dreams of being able to undock in a Celestis and not be laughed at.

Serious note. Change happens, this change is VERY sorely needed. Also apparently you seem unable to read that we are not going to be loosing the ability to fly any ship we already can.

Shocking I know.

I lied :o
Valei Khurelem
#15 - 2012-03-08 14:14:03 UTC
It really does amaze me sometimes the level of reading comprehension that is on this forum, especially when these people claim they're intelligent adults.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-03-08 14:14:16 UTC
Funnily enough, these changes will have roughly ∞ less effect on my training schedule than the introduction of tier-3 BCs. That one added two very annoying months of training I had never planned to do… P
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-08 14:20:08 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
It really does amaze me sometimes the level of reading comprehension that is on this forum, especially when these people claim they're intelligent adults.

I know right? I mean...did you just completely miss the part where CCP stated that you would be compensated for the new skills if you already have the old ones trained? You know...the part where they said you would still be able to fly everything then that you can now? Maybe you just missed all the forum threads and topics about removing tiers? Kinda hard...they crop up once or twice a week and everybody clamors for it. Maybe you just missed all of the other threads that have cropped up in the past day or so explaining all of this already. I dunno...maybe there is a difference between actually being able to read and reading comprehension? Gotta learn the first before you can do the latter.

In short, I don't expect you to read this let alone understand it but when CCP makes said changes you will still be right where you are at the time of the change when it comes to what ships you can fly. Now...let the intelligent adults talk and go play.

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Doddy
Excidium.
#18 - 2012-03-08 14:21:41 UTC
Oh look, someone complaining about something they didn't even try to understand on eve-o, shocker.

Unless CCP flat out removes the current skills and introduces new ones without any reimbursement/replacement this change is just win win win. Old CCP might actually have been stupid enough to do that but i don't think new CCP will make that mistake.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#19 - 2012-03-08 14:23:10 UTC
Riedle wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.


You are an idiot.


I wish I could argue as well as you.
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
#20 - 2012-03-08 14:25:23 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Riedle wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
These changes are just bad. Bad and pointless, and nullifying months worth of training while introducing months more to be done.


You are an idiot.


I wish I could argue as well as you.


You could have said "No, you are the idiot!"

Big smile

Yay 10 years! :D
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