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Cloaking should have a manual cycle or be cap intensive
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Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#81 - 2012-03-02 11:56:26 UTC
Salcon Cliff
Zephyr Corp
#82 - 2012-03-02 15:13:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Salcon Cliff
That would be very interesting, if not damn complicated to implement.
Ganjjabeard
Black Vanguard Ops
#83 - 2012-03-02 21:13:36 UTC
let them cloak and afk all damn day all week if they want to, they are the losers for paying 15$ a month to be afk cloaked in a system all day instead of going around exploring and playing eve the way it was meant to be played (not sitting afk for hours or days waiting for a miner kill) people who do that are losers

GET IN THE VAN
DevilDog11101775
Black Aces
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2012-03-04 12:45:55 UTC
Lol no surprise a member of the CFC is whining about this.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#85 - 2012-03-05 02:27:32 UTC
DevilDog11101775 wrote:
Lol no surprise a member of the CFC is whining about this.


Don't paint us all with the same brush.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Probebly Afk Cloaking
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-03-08 00:43:54 UTC
Afk Cloaking working as intended
Rei Seiji
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2012-03-08 06:45:18 UTC
I think what should happen is cloaking also makes you invisible in local. There! Solves your problem with afk cloakers, right?
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-03-08 07:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
I seriously hope that this doesn't get rolled out just because it's been moaned about enough over the years. No space should be safe, all an AFK cloaker is doing is making you feel threatened. If you're NOT threatened when you're playing EVE you're doing something wrong - or you're a Nullbear (may or may not be analogous with 'doing something wrong').

The problem is thusfold: your opposition has taken a step to disrupt your industry (AFK Cloakers). Your in-game response to this is to do nothing. Your out of game response to this is to ask for it to be nerfed.

If you're not willing to defend your space, you will lose it.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Artemis Ahab
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-03-08 08:11:05 UTC
My only issue with removing local is that ninja ratting would become extremely difficult. Having no backup is hard enough, it'd be equivalent to living in a WH by yourself (does anyone do that? If so, have any pointers? WH's sound interesting, but with kids and college I don't really have time for a large corp these days. Sad)
Kale Kold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#90 - 2012-03-12 22:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kale Kold
AFK Cloakers

  • Can't move
  • Can't lock
  • Can't shoot
  • and nobody is at the controls

...but apparently it can lock down a system for hours on end! Roll

grow a pair!

“Some people call me insane for the destruction I’ve caused, ...I believe I was just doing my duty!” -- Testimony submitted to Caldari Navy war crimes tribunal.
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-03-12 23:59:50 UTC
Afk mining/ratting is a far bigger issue than afk cloaking.

Anything that discourages botting is good.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-03-13 01:22:59 UTC
Zig-zag fly around in ur system till you uncloak the AFK cloaked, BM, get propper ship to blow it up............ problem solved.
Radcjk
Failed Diplomacy
#93 - 2012-03-13 05:22:47 UTC
The real solution is to have cloaked player ships be removed from local, ala' worm hole.

That way your miners wont be scared, no one can cry that you are present, and when and if they do get bent over by a cloaked boat, it comes as a genuine surprise.

It's win win. No paranoid fear for hours on end + surprise PvP.
Mark Hadden
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#94 - 2012-03-16 13:18:12 UTC
Torothin wrote:

Something needs to be done about this.

no it does not.
if you dont like how 0. works, leave it.
(afk)cloakers are fine and required.
Torothin
Crimson Dawn Enterprises
#95 - 2012-03-16 13:25:56 UTC
Artemis Ahab wrote:
My only issue with removing local is that ninja ratting would become extremely difficult. Having no backup is hard enough, it'd be equivalent to living in a WH by yourself (does anyone do that? If so, have any pointers? WH's sound interesting, but with kids and college I don't really have time for a large corp these days. Sad)



I lived in a C1 by myself. I ran sites in a Drake. I fitted my pos with ECM mods out the wazoo. I also have a Falcon cloaked by me when I ratted at all times. I also had a Pilgrim to defend the WH. Falcon/Pilgrim combo is just nasty and can down almost any ship 1 on 1.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-03-16 14:07:22 UTC
Torothin wrote:
You guys do realize i have better KB stats then almost all of you. I'm a PvPer and this is a flawed mechanic. Cloaking needs to have an active cycle.


Unwritten rule of the Internet:

Thy shall not wave thine Iteron in a whine thread.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Aokema
#97 - 2012-03-16 16:13:34 UTC
In the words of the "Clint"

"Adapt and overcome..."
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#98 - 2012-03-16 16:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
Torothin wrote:
AFK cloaking to disrupt activity is mega gaming. Too many people make assumptions. This isn't a thread to complain. But again if you are going to disrupt industry then you should disrupt industry while being present at your computer. This is right up there with botting.


Several thoughts:

1.) If stats meant anything, I would tell your noob-ass to STFU and sit in a corner, and you'd have to obey... You don't have to be some L33t PvPer to understand the issues being discussed in this thread.

2.) Speaking of issues, your main post does NOT coherently provide any discussion on why cloaking is a problem. In it, you complain that AFK cloakers are periodically decloaking and attacking mining vessels and/or their jetcans. If you really think you have a leg to stand on, you need to:

  1. Show you understand what cloaking brings to the game....(which you don't seem to grasp).
  2. Explain how the current implementations of the cloak create a problem that can't be reasonably dealt with using current game mechanis (which you have yet to do).
  3. Explain how your suggestion will improve cloaks to limit any problems while simultaneously retaining the vital abilities of a cloak. (Hint, the ability to safely hide, and the ability to counter the local chat intel tool are vital roles of cloaks).


You fail to communicate this info, let alone show you understand it. Until then, you'll be summarily dismissed as a whiny player that doesn't know how to deal with the insecurities of non-high-sec space...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#99 - 2012-03-16 19:20:32 UTC
The other day as I was running wormhole sites and prowling for PVP targets, I thought about threads like this.

My orca stays cloaked until I need to change ships or unload cargo.

My noctis stays cloaked between salvage jobs.

My PVP ships are mostly cloaky. I basically patrol our wormhole and anything connected to it under cloak, looking for targets. When I find a target, their first indication that I'm nearby is my ship decloaking 5 km from their hull.

In the past I've been instrumental in gathering intel and setting up warp-in locations that allowed us to achieve complete surprise and wipe enemy fleets that thought they were safe. I did this by approaching the enemy under cloak.

These are all things I do that could be negatively impacted by nerfs to fix the people who whine about some alt idling under cloak in a nullsec system the rest of us don't care about.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#100 - 2012-03-16 21:03:34 UTC
The troll is strong in this one.


AFK Cloaking = Fine as it is

Removing local = how is that going to fix anything? Bots can use the D-Scan faster/more effectively than a person could (adding the ability to make it an F1-12 key would be nice), so I'm missing how not having local would help anything other than ending the complaining about AFK cloakers (which for the record I never did any of :P)

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.