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New(ish) to mining and refining..quick question
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kopacz swiata
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-07 04:04:27 UTC
I just came back to the game after a few months away and decided to get into mining. On this particular character of mine I have all the refining/ore specific processing to lvl 4/5s.

I was in Torrinos at the Moon 5 Lai Dai facility and decided to look at a refining quote for the ores I have there. They said they would take 5.00%...ok...I understand that side of it....the rest of everything came out to a refining % of 79.5.


Is there any further way to boost that so I don't lose as much in the refining process? Are POS's geared for refining granting better %'s? Does my standing with Lai Dai corp negatively affect my % ? (my standings at the moment on this character with Lai Dai are 1.00).


Thanks for the newb miner help!!

Skorpynekomimi
#2 - 2012-03-07 04:49:23 UTC
Once your skills are up to scratch, you're working on reducing taxes. Best way to do that is by increasing standings, by way of running missions.

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Jonzac
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-07 05:29:48 UTC
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I to have a perfect refine. Refining efficiently can be lower if the specific ore is higher than 1.
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-07 05:37:00 UTC
You need to find yourself a station with a base yield of 50%. It sounds like yours isn't anywhere near that.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#5 - 2012-03-07 06:25:36 UTC
I think Lai Dai stations are all 30% refine, so you need to find a 50% refinery.

You dropped unlucky choosing Lai Dai, every other station in the system is a 50% refinery.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#6 - 2012-03-07 08:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Lai Dai are one of the worst for refining that I have standing with (worst = Ishukone = 3 stations).

Here are their 50% stations:

Solar System Security repr. eff.
The Forge/Otsabaira/Keikaken/Keikaken V - Moon 1 - Lai Dai Corporation Warehouse 0.7 50%
The Forge/Aulari/Airaken/Airaken IV - Moon 1 - Lai Dai Corporation Warehouse 0.5 50%
Lonetrek/Asalola/Haajinen/Haajinen XI - Moon 9 - Lai Dai Corporation Warehouse 0.8 50%
The Citadel/Imurukka/Inoue/Inoue IV - Moon 4 - Lai Dai Corporation Warehouse 0.6 50%
The Citadel/Imurukka/Konola/Konola V - Moon 12 - Lai Dai Corporation Warehouse 0.7 50%
Black Rise/Inolari/Kinakka/Kinakka III - Lai Dai Corporation Factory 0.4 50%

http://eve-online.itemdrop.net/eve_db/universe/station_search/?security_from=1&security_to=-1&repreff=0.5

My favorites:
* Sisters of EVE (everywhere, and all 50%, plus an independent faction so always SoE storylines = fast gain)
* Kaalakiota (everywhere)
* Expert Distribution (everywhere, and all 50%)
* Quaffe (everywhere, and all 50%)
* Emperor Family (only in Amarr space, and all 50%)
There are a lot of good corps. Often the odd ones are best for refining, but many are courier.

An odd one:
* CONCORD (everywhere and all 50%... but standing is security status)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#How_to_get_above_5.0_Security_Status
I have 5.81 standing with CONCORD at 5.01 security status and Connections 4, but I've never tried to refine with them.

Tax = 5% - 0.75 * standing
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2012-03-07 11:39:52 UTC
Jonzac wrote:
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I SNIP



Those ores gotta be on Level IV for Perfect.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
kopacz swiata
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-07 13:16:13 UTC
Thanks for the info and help...its definitely the lai dai/station then cuz all my refining skills are 5s and my ore specific skills are 4s.....gonna haul the ore to a different station and try later...LOL :D
Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#9 - 2012-03-07 13:18:18 UTC
Emma Royd wrote:
I think Lai Dai stations are all 30% refine, so you need to find a 50% refinery.

You dropped unlucky choosing Lai Dai, every other station in the system is a 50% refinery.

Yeah, this is probably your issue. Duvolle lab stations are like this too. I'm pretty sure other r&d corps are like this as well.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#10 - 2012-03-08 00:37:14 UTC
Always check Refine Quality.

In Heorah (Amarr) there are 2 Kaalakiota stations with 35%. Kaalakiota next door in Agal is 50%.

No NPC Corp is exclusively 35% that I know of, but always check.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2012-03-08 05:05:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonzac wrote:
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I SNIP

Those ores gotta be on Level IV for Perfect.

Incorrect.

Yield = MIN(100%, Facilities + 37.5% * (1 + Refining * 2%) * (1 + Refinery Efficiency * 4%) * (1 + Material * 5%) * (1 + Implant))


Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 4, Material 2 = 100%

Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, Material 1 = 100%

Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, 2% Refining Implant = 100%

Yield with 35% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, Material 5, 4% Refining Implant = 99.35%
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#12 - 2012-03-08 14:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonzac wrote:
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I SNIP

Those ores gotta be on Level IV for Perfect.

Incorrect.

Yield = MIN(100%, Facilities + 37.5% * (1 + Refining * 2%) * (1 + Refinery Efficiency * 4%) * (1 + Material * 5%) * (1 + Implant))


Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 4, Material 2 = 100%

Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, Material 1 = 100%

Yield with 50% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, 2% Refining Implant = 100%

Yield with 35% facilities, Refining 5, Refinery Efficiency 5, Material 5, 4% Refining Implant = 99.35%



Try it for yourself...and SEE. You will not hit Perfect until Level IV, I say again and will say till I die. Because I know from experience, not spreadsheet crap.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#13 - 2012-03-08 14:38:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
with refining 5 and refining efficiency 5 you will get 99.5% refine at a station with 50% base.
It can further be increased with specific ore skills(adding specific ore refining skills can eliminate the need for refining efficiency 5) , implants, and scrap metal processing(for reprocessing modules)
with a 2% refining implant ,refining 5, and refining efficiency 5 you will get 100% at a 50% facility.
Once your actual refining % is determined then the station will take a % of the minerals as tax. if you get standings with the corp that owns the station above 6.35 I think it is you will have 0% tax giving you a perfect refine.
I believe with perfect skills(all relevant skills to 5) you can get close to100% refine at a station with only 35% facilities.
If you want to bypass some skill training there are refining implants available at I think 1%,2%,4% but I do not recall what slot they fit or the name of the implant.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-03-08 15:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
with refining 5 and refining efficiency 5 you will get 99.5% refine at a station with 50% base.
It can further be increased with specific ore skills(adding specific ore refining skills can eliminate the need for refining efficiency 5) .


Thank You.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
astara989
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-08 17:11:29 UTC  |  Edited by: astara989
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonzac wrote:
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I SNIP



Those ores gotta be on Level IV for Perfect.


You Dumb.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2012-03-09 13:20:39 UTC
astara989 wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonzac wrote:
You need to have refining to V and refining efficiency to at least IV and then ore to level I SNIP



Those ores gotta be on Level IV for Perfect.


You Dumb.



You DERP.

Read above.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882