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Industrialists? Should you vote? Who should you vote for?

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-08 01:44:04 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.

For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"


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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#22 - 2012-03-08 01:53:57 UTC
I think it is very suspect for someone to open a post on who to vote for in the industrial side and leave out good candidates or for that matter any industrial candidate.

All a post like this will do is cause more fracturing in the voting of the industrialists. This will then give the 0.0 power blocks a better chance of once again gaining control of the CSM.

TBH this would be an excellent tactic for the 0.0 guys, get an alt to create a post like this and then wait for the inevitable response from the candidates who where left out, then slag them off and make them look like a bunch of crazies. It would be a more subtle attack than the usual Goon hate mail.

So either Issler was right and you are a Alt of someones, or you created a post with your preferred candidates in it but are inadvertently helping the Goons to win.

So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

Frying Doom

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#23 - 2012-03-08 01:59:42 UTC
Or Issler is just a **** candidate.



Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously?
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#24 - 2012-03-08 01:59:57 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council".

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#25 - 2012-03-08 02:02:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Frying Doom wrote:
I think it is very suspect for someone to open a post on who to vote for in the industrial side and leave out good candidates or for that matter any industrial candidate.

All a post like this will do is cause more fracturing in the voting of the industrialists. This will then give the 0.0 power blocks a better chance of once again gaining control of the CSM.

TBH this would be an excellent tactic for the 0.0 guys, get an alt to create a post like this and then wait for the inevitable response from the candidates who where left out, then slag them off and make them look like a bunch of crazies. It would be a more subtle attack than the usual Goon hate mail.

So either Issler was right and you are a Alt of someones, or you created a post with your preferred candidates in it but are inadvertently helping the Goons to win.

So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

Frying Doom


While this IS true. As an industry player, it's in my best interests to serve that particular advocate's role.

In other words, having people read through many different candidates and dispersing their votes among the 20 or so candidates would "waste votes"( 1 ) when those same people are up against bloc candidates who will foster votes merely from their alliances/blocs.

It could if done "just so" mean NOONE got in to speak on behalf of industry/empire etc. So me as a discerning voter is educating people from that point of view - the discerning voter. I think it is of benefit as the candidates are already there for all to see and read about equally. If they want an equal view of all candidates they only have to read the threads the candidates themselves put up.

( 1 )For want of a better term - I hate that term because it implies voting for someone or something you believe in is a waste - which it is not.

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Frying Doom
#26 - 2012-03-08 02:04:59 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council".


Sorry a good industrial candidate blows things up? You do play EVE right?
What do industrialists blow up?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#27 - 2012-03-08 02:05:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
So please if you are really not someones alt, add in a section on all the industrial candidates and express what you believe is their good points. Anything else and you just doom us to another year of Goon CSM.

I'll bite. Hans is a good industrial candidate because he wants to blow **** up. I voted for Hans. I would have voted for Mittens for the same reason, but he'll get a seat anyway and we need more than one person to have a "council".


Sorry a good industrial candidate blows things up? You do play EVE right?
What do industrialists blow up?


Hey I blow **** up but I consider myself an industrialst at heart ;)

http://revo.griefwatch.net/

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Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-08 02:18:41 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Heathkit wrote:
The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists.

1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce.
2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible.
3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules.

Make your vote count. Vote Mittani



Not sure how voting for someone that is sure to be elected makes your vote count, but that's not why I posted.

So Heathkit, interesting name, wondering if you ever built a heathkit? My dad was an electrical engineer and got me several of them when I growing up. A lot of fun!

Issler



Although they try to differentiate themselves, all of the candidates focused on Flying in Space want the same things - the needs there are clear. For the undecideds out there, all of the Proven Performer candidates have a solid base of support and will win reelection handily, while the candidates without a solid base stand very little chance of winning. So you can either throw your vote away on an unknown, or instead throw it away on someone who doesn't need it.

The Mittani needs your vote. To break through gridlock in the CSM, it's important that one member has a clear, overridding mandate. When you vote for Mittani, you join that chorus calling for a more dynamic Eve - more conflict, more drama, more destruction. As an industrialist, I love when Mittani calls for an invasion or an interdiction - I know it means my wallet will soon be blinking non-stop.


Also, that's really cool about the kits. Did you know they actually started doing kits again recently? I've built electronics kits, but never a Heathkit - I chose the name because the first computer I used was a Heathkit my dad built. I'm looking forward to buying Heathkits for my own children some day ;)
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#29 - 2012-03-08 02:23:39 UTC
While my main activity is PVP, I do have alts in empire doing T2 and T3 production. I own a couple of T2 BPOs which I bought with profits from when invention was released.

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Taiwanistan
#30 - 2012-03-08 02:25:40 UTC
Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Taiwanistan
#31 - 2012-03-08 03:26:20 UTC
Zirse wrote:
Or Issler is just a **** candidate.



Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously?


heh

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#32 - 2012-03-08 10:17:24 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Zirse wrote:
Or Issler is just a **** candidate.



Do you really think CCP would take a CSM advocating more WiS seriously?


heh


Got to admit. I lol'd ;)

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#33 - 2012-03-09 01:39:52 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.



Issler = Mining + industry + high sec+ balanced approach to all of Eve including ambulation.

Miners Unite!

Issler Dainze
8 years as industrialist, miner and the most rounded player running for CSM 7
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#34 - 2012-03-09 01:43:56 UTC
Josef Huffenpuff wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:


stuff

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!


Look Issler, Its great that you want to promote industry in Eve. But you've spent the entire campaign period failing to deal with trolls effectively and trying to promote the same old tired "Hi Sec above All Else" agenda you've been pushing for years.

That's why you're not on my list of people to vote for and why I'm voting for Seleene.


I am not a high sec above all else candidate. Even a little research would show I also think low sec has been horribly neglected. I believe all of Eve should be advanced in balance and some parts, like mining are the most overdue and have the largest effect on improving the lives of major segments of players.

By the way I've been surprised at the numbers of players that have contacted me directly to let me know I got their vote that commented that my reaction to the constant attacks and trolling played a large part in their support of my efforts.

Issler Dainze
Miner
Industrialist
Interested in all of Eve, but lets fix mining first!
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#35 - 2012-03-09 21:08:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
However the amount of time and effort you've put into your position in space barbies is a large percentage of what most people seem to have read about you. Perhaps you can express some views on other things ? or at least put some links to where you have?

(And yes we know, we know, "mining" - we get it).

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#36 - 2012-03-09 21:46:29 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
However the amount of time and effort you've put into your position in space barbies is a large percentage of what most people seem to have read about you. Perhaps you can express some views on other things ? or at least put some links to where you have?

(And yes we know, we know, "mining" - we get it).


My CSM 6 Candidate statement which I didn't change because other then the call for new and unique backgrounds in systems which we finally got, everything I say there is still what I believe.

If you really were interested it wouldn't have taken any work at all to search for my forum posts in the new and old forums as I am a regular poster in the forums or to look with that google thing. If someone really does want to know about candidates I would expect them to look around a little and not just believe what someone puts in their latest Jita Park post.

How about a previous youtube campaign video for some comic relief?

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
Vladimir Pulin
Remanaquie Federation
#37 - 2012-03-10 05:06:12 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Seleene = industry + nullsec leaning
Trebor = industry + hisec leaning
Issler = industry + space barbies

Seleene or Trebor, pick one.



Actually I do a lot of industry and live in high sec but don't review myself in any of those candidates. I'd love to see someone with some market related ideas too as it is directly linked to industry, and some clear stances on CCP's regulation on PLEX prices and such. If any candidate has an unambiguous opinion on that I'd love to read about. I admit I haven't gone thru all of them yet but so far I'm about half way thru and still got nothing.

I was at one point inclined to vote for Riverini only because of his anti botting stance. But then I listed to a podcast debate and felt the same level of disconfort I get every time I see an episode from The Office. Only in Riverini's case he wasn't acting, he was genuinely embarrassing himself.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#38 - 2012-03-10 10:13:22 UTC
To be honest, not too sure there is a candidate with a stance on plex and/or trade per se.

I will certainly look at adding a good candidate to the list who has a well refined idea regarding the trade side of industry and any changes needed. Sorry to say I'm quite ignorant of what trade might need at this point ?

Personally I thought the market worked well already and had sufficient price history/stats etc.?

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-10 12:36:42 UTC
Vladimir Vladimirovitch Putain wrote:
I was at one point inclined to vote for Riverini only because of his anti botting stance.


You mean the 'anti-botting stance' that had him publishing guides on his website about how to bot until CCP contacted him to request he took them down?

Is that the 'anti botting stance' you wanted?

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-03-10 16:00:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Not to mention an anti-botting stance is a pretty worthless one to have, what with CCP having a team dedicated to actually catching and banning botters again.

If anything, you should look at someone who has anti-botting as a main platform rather suspect, since it's likely covering for the lack of an actual useful platform. It's very intentional, as nobody will argue with you that botting isn't an important issue, so it makes you look like you truly do care about the welfare of the game and want to help and all of that good stuff, but with the reality of CCP (a) knowing about it and (b) finally acting on it, it's the definition of unnecessary.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["