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Industrialists? Should you vote? Who should you vote for?

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Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#1 - 2012-03-07 22:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Well we have another year of shenanigans, ego and misinformation - otherwise known as CSM elections.

Many people obviously don't vote.. A large percentage of those are empire dwellers, many industrialists. Over the past few weeks having spoken to people and one only has to read the forums, you can conclude most indy players who aren't voting do that because they figure it won't matter anyhow.

This year should be different for industrialists. Many of the 0.0 candidates are block candidiates, but not so for people speaking up for industry.

If you're finding it difficult to select a candidate for industry concerns -

1. Seleene is probably a forerunner for industrial concerns currently - he has on many occasions professed a view that industry requires an expansion now. It has been promised by CCP for a long time and now is the time for it. He has led PVP alliances and understands the relationship between industry and 0.0 PVP well.

2. Hans Jagerblitzen is also a good indy protagonist.

3. Two Step for wormholes - this guy has a good understanding of wormholes, wormhole industry and PVP both.

4. Trebor Daehdoow to a slightly lesser degree for 0.0 industry AND wormholes, but more for empire industrial concerns - as a past CSM chair has a GREAT understanding of CCP and the place and role CSM plays.

While there are many other worthy candidates running, selecting these 4 people will ensure a strong industry CSM with experience and motivation.

Development of industry means development of PVP. If you change industry, you change the market, if market changes, pvp changes. Getting these industrial issues fixed finally will help streamline the systems behind peoples' ships being created - thereby making them cheaper by defacto.

More industrialists would join the market creating more diversity of markets and competition.

All of this drives prices down.

Removal of botters would create a void to allow more industrial people into the market. This will create more competition and allow those people to earn decent isk in the game at the same time.

None of this can be bad for PVPers in general.

Make sure you vote, and vote for a candidate that isn't selling you a lemon.

Edit: Just to clarify for people who do read this. I have no dog in this race. I am not affiliated with nor partnered up with anyone in this list.
I don't get isk, I don't get any reimbursement in any form from any of these people.
My only concern is the forward movement of industrial change in EVE Online.

If you search Seleene's or Trebor's own threads you will find me being pretty impartial in some instances even calling them out on some things specifically.

However, I do still see these 4 candidates as the people most capable of providing change and not standing on vague platforms like "I'm for miners".

Please, give a bump so more ppl can read and vote.

Edit: I've added links to the candidates where they speak on their main campain platforms or their wiki's. Happy to change the links on their requests.

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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#2 - 2012-03-07 23:43:15 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Well we have another year of shenanigans, ego and misinformation - otherwise known as CSM elections.

Many people obviously don't vote.. A large percentage of those are empire dwellers, many industrialists. Over the past few weeks having spoken to people and one only has to read the forums, you can conclude most indy players who aren't voting do that because they figure it won't matter anyhow.

This year should be different for industrialists. Many of the 0.0 candidates are block candidiates, but not so for people speaking up for industry.

If you're finding it difficult to select a candidate for industry concerns -

1. Seleene is probably a forerunner for industrial concerns currently - he has on many occasions professed a view that industry requires an expansion now. It has been promised by CCP for a long time and now is the time for it. He has led PVP alliances and understands the relationship between industry and PVP well.

2. Hans Jagerblitzen is also a good indy protagonist.

3. Two Step for wormholes - this guy has a good understanding of wormholes, wormhole industry and PVP both.

4. Trebor to a slightly lesser degree for industry AND wormholes - as a past CSM chair has a GREAT understanding of CCP and the place and role CSM plays.

While there are many other worthy candidates running, selecting these 4 people will ensure a strong industry CSM with experience and motivation.

Development of industry means development of PVP. If you change industry, you change the market, if market changes, pvp changes. Getting these industrial issues fixed finally will help streamline the systems behind peoples' ships being created - thereby making them cheaper by defacto.

More industrialists would join the market creating more diversity of markets and competition.

All of this drives prices down.

Removal of botters would create a void to allow more industrial people into the market. This will create more competition and allow those people to earn decent isk in the game at the same time.

None of this can be bad for PVPers in general.

Make sure you vote, and vote for a candidate that isn't selling you a lemon.

Please, give a bump so more ppl can read.


Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.

So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#3 - 2012-03-07 23:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Issler Dainze wrote:
Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.

So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!


Which is it? I'm an Alt or in someone's pocket?

I've been following the CSM elections quite closely this year and found many capable candidates.

To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Not the CSM candidate I am after - Not to argue of course!

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PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#4 - 2012-03-07 23:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: PsychoBitch
I am a maker of everything for finger nail clippers to titans

Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/

If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.

Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?

Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?

Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed

and new errors being introduced daily?

Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!

If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted

your vote on F A I L

Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!

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Skye Aurorae
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-08 00:14:33 UTC
Read this analysis which shows that Psychobitch is a fringe candidate
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78067

Better to pick someone closer to the mainstream, someone that perhaps has discussed the economic knock on effects of many suggested changes, because for industrialists, the economy is everything, and the economy is broken in many ways.

Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21 - oh well.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-03-08 00:32:29 UTC
While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.

For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#7 - 2012-03-08 00:49:46 UTC
Well, while mittani has done a good job getting CCP's attention this CSM it is a little difficult to see a further role for him without getting in the way.

It is great when a group of people aren't all on the same page and there's chaos everywhere to have someone jump in, grab everyone and steer them in a direction.

However, once a direction is taken and everyone IS on the same page. That same person detracts from the fact that everyone has to have a say. All delegates in CSM7 while having CCP's ear need to be able to formulate a direction that's in everyone's best interests.

Mittani just isn't that guy.

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None ofthe Above
#8 - 2012-03-08 00:50:06 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
While The Mittani is not an industrialist himself, I and the other goonswarm finance directors are able to regularly provide top-quality explanations of how various parts of the economy work, so while he obviously can't get our opinion on NDA issues, he is able to get a detailed explanation of how any portion of the economy works.

For example: "did you know if you mercilessly murder miners in these 23 belts in empire in only 16 systems you suddenly can't mine gallente ice?"


Thank you for the reminder of why to vote for Hans Jagerblitzen, or basically anyone but Mittens.

With the CSM being more influential it is more important than ever to get out there and vote people. Look at the candidates and decide who best represents you!

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

LXTC-S Predator
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-08 00:53:35 UTC
If you want someone who represents the industrial side of eve, vote for Psychobitch. Veteran from the EvE Beta phase, and I do not think there is anyone else in EvE who has as much experience with the industry side as PsychoBitch.
Triskian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-08 00:56:10 UTC
Nullsec industrialist, voted Mittani.
Heathkit
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-03-08 00:59:25 UTC
The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists.

1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce.
2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible.
3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules.

Make your vote count. Vote Mittani
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#12 - 2012-03-08 01:09:17 UTC
Heathkit wrote:
The Mittani is the logical choice for industrialists.

1. Conflict creates the demand for what industrialists produce.
2. The ice interdiction did more to counter botting than anything CCP did between Incarna and Crucible.
3. Even ganking in empire increases the demand for ships and modules.

Make your vote count. Vote Mittani



Not sure how voting for someone that is sure to be elected makes your vote count, but that's not why I posted.

So Heathkit, interesting name, wondering if you ever built a heathkit? My dad was an electrical engineer and got me several of them when I growing up. A lot of fun!

Issler

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#13 - 2012-03-08 01:17:59 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Josef Huffenpuff
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-08 01:18:16 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:


stuff

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!


Look Issler, Its great that you want to promote industry in Eve. But you've spent the entire campaign period failing to deal with trolls effectively and trying to promote the same old tired "Hi Sec above All Else" agenda you've been pushing for years.

That's why you're not on my list of people to vote for and why I'm voting for Seleene.
Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#15 - 2012-03-08 01:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Revolution Rising
Karl Hobb wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously.


I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.

So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?

Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#16 - 2012-03-08 01:29:33 UTC
LXTC-S Predator wrote:
If you want someone who represents the industrial side of eve, vote for Psychobitch. Veteran from the EvE Beta phase, and I do not think there is anyone else in EvE who has as much experience with the industry side as PsychoBitch.


I'd be happy to compare EVE resumes, as would a few others I'd imagine. Smile

2004-2008: Mercenary Coalition Boss

2007-2010: CCP Game Designer | 2011-2013: CSM6 Delegate & CSM7 Chairman

2011-2015: Pandemic Legionnaire

2015- : Mercenary Coalition Boss

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-03-08 01:30:00 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

Not to argue, but I'm a two time CSM member with extensive industrial and mining experience and am the only one that has focused Mining, the very base of industry in Eve as my primary CSM 7 area of interest.

So I'm not sure whose alt you are but it looks like you are in someone's pocket with this post.

Issler Dainze
Eight years of industry in Eve!


million miner march lawl

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#18 - 2012-03-08 01:30:40 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
Karl Hobb wrote:
Revolution Rising wrote:
To be honest the tone of your post is just one facet of why I wouldn't put you forward as a candidate that people could rely upon.

Perhaps if you took more time to engender yourself with your remarks and tackle real issues with real solutions that might change.

Take the time to re-read your remak above objectively. It sounds like some teenage guy about to have a forum-tantrum.

Definitely not empty quoting. Even Mittens doesn't come across so self-righteously.


I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.

So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?

Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.


He was agreeing with you bro.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#19 - 2012-03-08 01:32:46 UTC
Revolution Rising wrote:
I'm entitled to be self-righteous when someone comes into my thread to whine about not being included, accuse me of being in someone's pocket, or an alt and then displays all the same qualities she was originally left out of the post because of.

So I guess I'm either not worth listening to - in which case, why come in on the thread at all - or she's afraid of the reasoning?

Take your pick, either way you come off looking stupid/disgruntled/scared.

lol, should have included more quote, I was talking about Issler. Forum fail.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Revolution Rising
Last-Light Holdings
#20 - 2012-03-08 01:35:18 UTC
LOL well I WAS being self-righteous - and rightly so - so it was a little hard to tell who he was talking about ;)

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