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Legitimacy Vote Harvesting 'Darius III'?
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Robin zePiwate
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-03-07 13:57:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Robin zePiwate
Hi everyone,


I hope i'm bringing this to the right place.
Earlier today in Jita local, someone said if one voted for Darius III he/she
recieved a PLEX. So, while not expecting it to be true, I contacted Darius III
himself and to my suprise he confirmed the deal. Well, I gave it a shot and
it turned out to be a scam (no sh*t).

My question here is simple, is it legal for Darius III to harvest votes through
scamming?


Yours,

Robin
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#2 - 2012-03-07 14:03:08 UTC
So your first idea is to post a link to vote for Darius III? I smell a troll looking for people to click the link without realizing that it'll vote for him.

And while I don't think it's technically against the rules to scam for CSM votes, I think it's a pretty dirty practice and that I would never vote for someone who's trying to scam for votes.

Oh, and if you want to be taken seriously, don't post on an alt.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-07 14:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Darius? Is that you?

Well...it IS EvE and scamming is a legitimate business in EvE. I guess that just goes to show you...if he is willing to lie to get in the CSM then how could he possibly keep his word as to what he intends to do with the CSM.

This is also an idiotic grab for votes for Darius. You fail. Try posting with your main Darius.

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Robin zePiwate
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-07 14:17:46 UTC
First of all, I just questionned the legitimacy of the vote harvesting that's all... This is not an alt related to Darius III or anything close. I removed the link since it apperently serves no additional value to this thread. Just read and answer the goddamn question, thank you very much
Jitterka
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-07 14:22:27 UTC
rly? its your fault youre dumb.... scaming is alowed
btw should we make separate topic everytime someone was scamed in jita? Shocked
Robin zePiwate
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-07 16:33:34 UTC
And another joins the ranks of incompetants... Did I say something similar to "OMG i've been scammed, blablabla"?? No... I just wondered if he was allowed to harvest votes through in game scamming... you following me so far? Just checking capiche?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-07 17:57:40 UTC
Robin zePiwate wrote:
Hi everyone,


I hope i'm bringing this to the right place.



Nope...

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Tidurious
Blatant Alt Corp
#8 - 2012-03-07 18:34:20 UTC
WTF is this in Assembly Hall?

Damnit Drake... That thunder was mine... *sniff*
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-07 19:46:54 UTC
Tidurious wrote:
WTF is this in Assembly Hall?

Damnit Drake... That thunder was mine... *sniff*


I only used 1 word....not like you couldn't upstage me. Roll

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#10 - 2012-03-07 20:08:40 UTC
Robin zePiwate wrote:
Hi everyone,


I hope i'm bringing this to the right place.
Earlier today in Jita local, someone said if one voted for Darius III he/she
recieved a PLEX. So, while not expecting it to be true, I contacted Darius III
himself and to my suprise he confirmed the deal. Well, I gave it a shot and
it turned out to be a scam (no sh*t).

My question here is simple, is it legal for Darius III to harvest votes through
scamming?


Yours,

Robin

Given that its how he very publicly got his votes to get into CSM6, and they didn't change the rules, yes, it is totally legit.

Also, if you had taken a quick look at general discussion, or crime and punishment, you would have seen several threads alot like this one, which is why you are getting trolled alot.

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Robin zePiwate
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-07 21:14:14 UTC
Thank you Tallian, that is what I needed to know
Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-03-07 21:39:43 UTC
So now vote scamming is allowed? are you freaking kidding me? Scamming in game fine but scamming your votes to a csm place is not...
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-07 21:44:03 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So now vote scamming is allowed? are you freaking kidding me? Scamming in game fine but scamming your votes to a csm place is not...



Your missing the point.

Scamming is legitimate as far as EVE is concerned.

Being fooled into thinking your going to get _______ for doing ______ just means your a dumb@$$.

Thats no different than paying ransom to not get podded.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with that....because you CHOSE to respond and make that decision.

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Mr R4nd0m
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-03-07 21:46:55 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So now vote scamming is allowed? are you freaking kidding me? Scamming in game fine but scamming your votes to a csm place is not...



Your missing the point.

Scamming is legitimate as far as EVE is concerned.

Being fooled into thinking your going to get _______ for doing ______ just means your a dumb@$$.

Thats no different than paying ransom to not get podded.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with that....because you CHOSE to respond and make that decision.


Sorry but i have to completely disagree, scamming for votes to get on the CSM is going a little too far...
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-07 22:48:19 UTC
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Mr R4nd0m wrote:
So now vote scamming is allowed? are you freaking kidding me? Scamming in game fine but scamming your votes to a csm place is not...



Your missing the point.

Scamming is legitimate as far as EVE is concerned.

Being fooled into thinking your going to get _______ for doing ______ just means your a dumb@$$.

Thats no different than paying ransom to not get podded.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with that....because you CHOSE to respond and make that decision.


Sorry but i have to completely disagree, scamming for votes to get on the CSM is going a little too far...


Again....you fall for the scam....you deserve to get scammed.

So point there of...dont.

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-07 23:22:12 UTC
I'm all for scamming and the victims of scams deserving it for being stupid.

However a CSM candidate who is vote-scamming just seems a bit shady, even for EvE players.
Definitely in the grey area as to whether it's allowed or not.
CCP might have to chime in on this one for or against it in the same way they needed to chime in on DUST514 beta key scamming.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-07 23:28:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Drake Draconis
Cyprus Black wrote:
I'm all for scamming and the victims of scams deserving it for being stupid.

However a CSM candidate who is vote-scamming just seems a bit shady, even for EvE players.
Definitely in the grey area as to whether it's allowed or not.
CCP might have to chime in on this one for or against it in the same way they needed to chime in on DUST514 beta key scamming.


The issue people are hinting at is use of meta-gaming to get votes....

Its testament to their agenda.....and all it means is they don't give a #### about you..they just want their free ticket to Iceland.

Like it or not...CCP won't stop it...unless its an actual exploit/abuse of game mechanics...case and point...spamming.....Im not itnerestd in picking apart the idiot that did it.

I'm interested in preventing its abuse for anything/anyone else as a result.

This therad is a joke.

As I've pointed out....its no different than ransoming.

Just because they said you won't get podded...doesn't mean you won't.

No one said you had to vote for him.

Getting bribed is a clear sign that you don't deserve to vote at that rate.
The true idiot here is the one who fell for it...not the one who initiated it.

Its EVE Online....there are no gaurentees.

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Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-08 02:07:35 UTC
To be totally fair, how is scamming for votes any worse than an alliance coercing it's members and their alts to vote for their candidate?

The CSM is really just a sounding board for CCP to listen to people's views from the front lines. Just because someone is on the CSM, it doesn't mean that they will get anything changed, any changes are still down to CCP. CCP will do what's in their interests as a business and if they can make nice changes along the way that makes players happy, then that's just peachy.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#19 - 2012-03-08 08:55:51 UTC
This being EvE it's legal to gather votes by scamming, blackmail, intimidation, extorsion, payment, pier pressure, campaigning, torture, sexual favours, bribery, false promises, true promises, selling your soul and possibly human sacrifice.



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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#20 - 2012-03-08 09:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tallian Saotome
Cyprus Black wrote:
However a CSM candidate who is vote-scamming just seems a bit shady, even for EvE players.
Definitely in the grey area as to whether it's allowed or not.

There is no grey area its, its clear cut, black and white. Scamming is allowed, got D3 into the CSM last year, and people complaining about it just makes sure his constituents(the scammers and griefers of eve) know he is still doing his thing, and so they will vote for him.

Something to be aware of, not all the people posting that he scammed him are real people, he got caught sock puppeting once last year iirc, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these threads are the same thing.

Edit: to be clear, D3s whole platform is that scamming and griefing are good, and should remain an core part of eve, and so he runs his campaign as a giant scam.

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