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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3461 - 2012-03-07 05:58:53 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3462 - 2012-03-07 06:05:00 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.

Mr Epeen Cool


What are we afraid of? CCP all of a sudden deciding they hate making money and going back to neglecting Eve for more space pants? After the disaster of Incarna and the success of Cruicible that's not very likely.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3463 - 2012-03-07 06:06:01 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#3464 - 2012-03-07 06:18:50 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.

Mr Epeen Cool


Pff

This is the internet, the magical land where subjective opinion = objective fact and their opinion is that it sucks therefore the fact is that it sucks.

I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
Taiwanistan
#3465 - 2012-03-07 07:25:20 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


173 pages fueled by little bee fear posting. Don't be frightened little bees, show us on the space barbie where the bad station touched you.

Mr Epeen Cool

god knows what you want to do to that space barbie you sicko freak.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#3466 - 2012-03-07 08:31:07 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go


To be fair to the pubbies the vast majority of the posts in this thread are pro-Eve/anti-WiS.



Last time someone took the time to count the pro ambulation posts were dramatically higher than the same 7 goon trolls.

So as the few "usual suspects" goon trolls like to say. Prove it, count those posts and show us those numbers. Half of them have to be from Lady Marmot and contain either the word "pants" or "space barbie".

So prove it or STFU.

Issler Danze
Supporter of Ambulation
CSM 7 Candidate
Meleric
Verteidiger des wahren Bloedsinns
#3467 - 2012-03-07 09:33:42 UTC
I see it in a different way. CCP is planning to merge EVE with Dust 514. So it's only consistant, that Walking in Stations have to come. I my mind's eye I see capsuleers walking into areas where Dust-Mercenaries are waiting for some work.

Just remember the video "a future vision" Youtube.

And, yes, I would like to have walking in stations. Give us some minigames, a corp-office with useful gadgets, and maybe some holo-tech to hold conferences when there are in different places.
Adaris
#3468 - 2012-03-07 12:00:35 UTC
I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:

- Avatar expression (emote system)
- Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc)
- Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)

Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.

I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.

I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.

 
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3469 - 2012-03-07 12:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Ladie Harlot wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.


Not even close.

Edit: I realized that you weren't talking about this thread and were talking about a thread that happened before Incarna.

Of course everybody was pro-WiS back then...we still believed CCP could pull it all off. Then summer came and we saw what two years of Eve neglect had bought us.


Exactly what I was talking about. That happened in spring of 2011. That was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.

Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .

Oh wait a second, you just made a statement 'Everybody was pro-WiS back then', now you're gonna have to show proof with CCP verified stats that 'Everybody was indeed pro-WiS back then'. And then after you dig up something to back up that statement, it won't be accepted, your words will be twisted and represented in a totally different context.

EDIT:

I know you're just making a generalization about the majority of the playerbase opinions but hey, some players just won't accept that.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#3470 - 2012-03-07 12:57:06 UTC
wtf is "emote system"

What I think WiS first needs is some new FiS feature that is accessible for corp members together:

I'd love to see an ingame EFT for fleets that integrates with corp member skills.

Make it as shiny and cool as you please, avatars gathered in a command room with holoships, damage & logistics projection visualisations and whatever, but this could probably get anti-Eve-anti-WiS crowd interested as well.

.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3471 - 2012-03-07 13:13:28 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future.
according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006.
focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction)
anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).

so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury?



I don't really care what you think has transpired. One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.

As for Doc Fury, he wrote a 2000 word essay containing a lot of 'Yada, yada, yada' in 2 posted replies back to back and managed only to say 'Nada'.

FYI - the thread I linked was from spring of 2011, not 2006. Also it was about WiS Ambulation, not WiS Incarna.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Taiwanistan
#3472 - 2012-03-07 13:24:33 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


One thing is for sure, you and I are not friends, buddies or pals so don't /emote me with DMC. That's DeMichael Crimson to you.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmc
there's going to be a quiz! what is CCP t0rfi referring to as the essence/core of eve online and what will they be focusing on?

Edit: Off topic part removed, CCP Phantom

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3473 - 2012-03-07 13:53:20 UTC
Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#3474 - 2012-03-07 14:01:31 UTC
I'd be all for WiS as long as:

1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again.

2. You get Supermarionation as a display option.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3475 - 2012-03-07 14:16:17 UTC
Samillian wrote:
I'd be all for WiS as long as:

1. It doesn't de-rail FiS development again.

2. You get Supermarionation as a display option.


lol @ Supermarionation.

America! **** YEAH!

I can see it now...

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821
Taiwanistan
#3476 - 2012-03-07 14:21:28 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Dang...I had to view the posts of Ladie Harlot and Taiwanistan just to see what you guys are arguing with them about. Why don't you all just block them. Ignore them and everything they say. Eventually people will stop quoting them and they will stop coming to this thread for attention. There are like 5 of them who troll this thread to no end. Let them troll...if you don't feed the trolls they eventually leave.


i know right, many a times i find myself beleaguered by the multitudes of deviant emote loving lispers and i am like to hell with it whatever god will judge them.
and then posts like the below pops up and completely rejuvenates my conviction!!!


Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


As I've pointed out several times, social gameplay is the mother of emergent gameplay. It needs a minimal investment in infrastructure and can keep players amused like forever. Just hand out some tools and allow people use them. Organized gameplay is cool to have, NPC interaction is cool, but from a cost/profit POV there is nothing as effective as just let people interact through avatars. Throw in some "hologram" technology so they're not forced to be aboard the same station and ther you go. Now add some advantages to physically being there (I already suggested stuff like kissing, caressing, punching, slapping... or dancing, if CCP were up to a tough ball; i've been iterating on the dance concept and I am figuring ways so two players can syncronize their moves within EVE's 1 second server frames... I don't mean "hit dance emote, do silly moves", rather "press the right keys at the right time so the server is fed the right "combos" from both sides at the right time and plays the right animation... in my limited knowledge, nobody ever tried that online...)

Err, to the point, there are lots of things that can be done as tools for friendly social interaction. If someone wants avatar PvP, they may have it, as long as it is not shoved down the throat of every player. Stations are griefing free zones and should stay like that. The worst that can happen in a station is being scammed and that must stay like that.


Adaris wrote:
I would very much like if the short term focus for Incarna was on a three-fold approach:

- Avatar expression (emote system)
- Avatar customization (clothes, tattoos, hair styles, body elements etc)
- Avatar socializing (facilitating more avatars being in the same location as one another)

Customization, for the most part is stand-alone. Expression is tied to socializing though, so the issue with the graphical demands of having multiple avatars in the same location needs to be addressed. If we can get a system whereby the facility to invite a set amount of avatars to the same location is possible, then much has been achieved for future iteration.

I would talk about what type of environments and activities should follow these three themes, but that should be considered more long term, especially with just one Dev Team assigned right now.

I am unsure if the current team has the technical expertise to address the issues of having multiple avatars occupy the same CQs though, but perhaps the expansion of expression through emotes (likely through the chat system) could follow alongside the continued work on avatar customization.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3477 - 2012-03-07 14:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Some players just want to twist it around and write a 2000 word essay contained in 2 posted replies back to back about how I'm making stuff up or 'moving goalposts' now since they conveniently mistook WiS Ambulation for WiS Incarna. .


Oh, you are just soooo misunderstood. I get it, players like me are just confused because you think there are now 2 flavors of WIS, and a (still unsubstantiated) "majority" only wanted one of those. Are you serious?

Regardless of how you now are trying to spin what "WIS" means to you or is perceived to mean by others:

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.

The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.


It's still quite hilarious that you chide others for posting incorrect, non-factual statements and then make stuff up to support your position in the very same post. I also don't see where you differentiated which "version" of WIS you were referring to. "WIS ever since 2006" just means WIS.

Dunno' how many words that is so far sparky, or why that would be relevant, but do keep trying to spin what you said to mean something else.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3478 - 2012-03-07 15:53:06 UTC
a few Goons afraid of emoting and getting emotional and have a little tear in their left eye here hehehehe
they are just a little angry bc ,its Spacebarbie instead of SpaceKEN,the one they really love bigtime


R.S.I2014
Sozzac
Wolfpacks
#3479 - 2012-03-07 16:09:49 UTC
[:evil:

well as a oldie in eve and former pew pew player

CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no
live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept

You advertise your game with Walk in Station movies and been doing it from 2006
most players coming into the game from 2006
Have come into the game with the WiS promise from CCP

Not a cell that CCP call CQ

O top of that selling and advertise NEX a shop where you can buy clothes for real money who no one can see you with

Give US WiS now CCP!

ps so far I havent heard any valid post from ccp why WiS isnt in the game as advertised. Just sadly bad bs

Remember most CSM that you listen to isnt your main income 'hint off'
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3480 - 2012-03-07 17:36:43 UTC
Sozzac wrote:
CCP Crowd Control Production need to wake up and see that there game EVE Online will no
live that loong without a fullblown 3d character concept


lol...you do realize Eve didn't launch last year, right? Eve has done fine without Space Barbie and when CCP tried to go that direction it cost them a large chunk of subscribers and 20% of their employees.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.