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Automated spam mails by CSM cantidates allowed?

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Vladimir Plinnikov
Plinnikov Family Holdings
#41 - 2012-03-07 12:19:57 UTC
I got a message from him also. Thought I was a big shot for a minute, somehow known through out Eve as an honest easy going guy. then I saw this thread.

Still before we get all worked up over this remember this is an election. Sounds to me like Trebor is running a Get Out the Vote campaign much like real world politicians. Who hasn't gotten an automated cold call the night before an election asking you to vote for candidate x on election day, or reminding you to vote.

Before we burn him at the stake for spamming mail I'd say congratulate him for 1.A well played proffessional campaign, and 2. educating players who never frequent these forums that there is an election going on and this is how you vote.

I am in no way connected to the Daehdoow campaign, nor am I sure if I will be voting for him in the elections. I just felt like I needed to put some of the flaming in perspective.
doombreed52
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2012-03-07 12:27:11 UTC
i got this to. so um why are you even doing this i already casted my votes. stop vote grinding noone likes it.
Xolani1990
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-03-07 12:42:15 UTC
I got hit by one of his spam mails in the last CSM cycles too, back then it seemed like he actually was compiling lists of people who posted on the eve-o forums on threads about the CSM.

Now the entire mail's to list are people from my alliance and half of them from my corp specifically. This spam campaign is pretty awful and Trebor should be penalized for the obvious use of a bot to do this if nothing else.
Ovidia Rhianon
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#44 - 2012-03-07 12:43:23 UTC
If you really want to get back at Trebor vote for Mittens.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-03-07 12:45:28 UTC
I forwarded my spam e-mails I received to CCP Devs, just incase they wanted to vote for Trebor.

(P.S I already voted for Elise Randolph 12 times o/)
Mercenary Killa
CatharsisE
#46 - 2012-03-07 12:45:52 UTC
Got it too...

Dont like spam in real life, dont like it in eve,
CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2012-03-07 12:47:58 UTC
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.
ADMlNlSTRATOR
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-03-07 12:52:43 UTC
If it's spam war you wanted, spam war you will get.
Tarion Awessi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2012-03-07 12:56:27 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

Now, I'm curious. Is it that Trebor can't send that message more than once to a user, or that user can't receive it more than once?

If its the former, then I suspect this is about to get ugly. Nullsec voting blocs are going to segue into nullsec spamming blocs. Every player in the game is going to receive hundreds of messages.

If its the latter, then Trebor's going to have his message sent repeatedly from anonymous spam alts, until he's banned.

Neither one seems workable, to me.
Aidamina Omen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-03-07 12:56:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidamina Omen
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.


Thanks for stopping by,

Does this ruling only concern CSM related messages or can this be taken as a precedent the EVE Mailing policy as a whole.

You're opening a can of worms here....
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#51 - 2012-03-07 12:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Korvin
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.

My god Diagoras.
Can you imagine, if all of my 1000+ followers would spam 1 message to the battleclinic char database? 1 message each of them?
And that would be legit according to your invitation to do so. Twisted

Member of CSM 4&5 ... &8

Sroasa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-03-07 13:11:54 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
I have checked with Lead GM Grimmi regarding this

On the condition that the same users aren't being spammed repeatedly (receiving the same message several times on the same character), sending messages like this for the purpose of campaigning is considered legitimate. Any other candidates that wish to campaign by sending messages, as long as those messages themselves abide by the EULA/ToS, are free to do so.


That's a terrible decision.

I'm predicting this ends poorly.

One, and only one, line of fofofofofofo in local everyone.
Mamy Pepite
Osiris Entreprises
#53 - 2012-03-07 13:14:02 UTC
Tarion Awessi wrote:
Trebor's going to have his message sent repeatedly from anonymous spam alts, until he's banned.

You are stupid. Theses messages will come from the spam alts, not from trebor, thus the spam alts are going to be banned, not Trebor, because he can't be banned for you spamming his message.
Tarion Awessi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-03-07 13:16:25 UTC
Mamy Pepite wrote:
Tarion Awessi wrote:
Trebor's going to have his message sent repeatedly from anonymous spam alts, until he's banned.

You are stupid. Theses messages will come from the spam alts, not from trebor, thus the spam alts are going to be banned, not Trebor, because he can't be banned for you spamming his message.
... Right. In which case, we get back to nullsec spamming blocs. If you don't get punished for someone else spamming on your behalf, its a useless rule.
CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#55 - 2012-03-07 13:24:39 UTC
En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-03-07 13:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Marzetti
^ Edit: Oh, never mind then.
Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-03-07 13:25:49 UTC
If you don't want the messages, set your CSPA charge as high as you can. Either they will not send it or they will send it and get hit by the bill.

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Sroasa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-03-07 13:30:24 UTC
CCP Diagoras wrote:
En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.


So now sending of messages from one character to another expressing support for a candidate requires GM permission?
Darker Domain
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#59 - 2012-03-07 13:33:31 UTC
This is a terrible decision.
CCP Diagoras
C C P
C C P Alliance
#60 - 2012-03-07 13:34:17 UTC
Sroasa wrote:
CCP Diagoras wrote:
En-masse mailing of electoral messages may only be performed by the candidate themselves. For any queries of other types of messages I'd advise contacting the GM team via the petition system.


So now sending of messages from one character to another expressing support for a candidate requires GM permission?


GM permission? If you're running in the election yourself, you are free to contact as many people as you wish, as long as you aren't contacting the same people several times.

If you're not running, if you're sharing it with your friends/your own corporation, that's one thing and that's allowed. Mass mailing to everyone you see is quite another. The GM's will use their discretion when dealing with reported cases of spamming as you mention.