Ships & Modules

I only quoted this because I like your avatar.

I bought a Tornado the other day to see what it flew like. It easily out runs frigs/dessies/cruisers with a couple expensive exceptions like Vagabonds, and Cynabals, which doesn't matter because you can pop them at 60km when they have a 1000m sig.

I kinda agree, despite that they're glass cannons, they really should be looked at :/

And that's highly important in this game of spaceships with submarine physics.

The typhoon looks more like a submarine than most of our spaceships, I think you're on to something there.

They do tier 3 BS damage at tier 1 BS price, with standard BC defenses or less. They're ships that can't decide if they're a BS or a HAC, but which overshadow both in certain areas (damage vs. cost, mainly.)

Personally, I'm loath to spend 100 mil on a glass cannon (which is what they end up costing with t2 fittings more or less.) IMO there are a couple of flaws with the tier 3 BCs:
1. there is very little reason to choose a glass cannon HAC over one in gang combat, making HACs less relevant
2. Talos tracking bonus, meaning the effective DPS can easily exceed that of the gankiest standard battleships. Other tier 3 BCs also have bonuses that their racial ganky counterparts lack (cap use and falloff, for instance.)

They're a stark departure from CCP's trend of making new ships more and more specialized, and I'm not sure I like it. But on the other hand I don't have extremely strong feelings about it either. I'm more annoyed by the surging popularity of the alpha welpfleet, to which the Tornado is a major contributor. Even if we had a more dynamic combat system that rewarded individual tactics in the gang environment, engagements where every primary dies on the first volley get silly after awhile.

And class this is why we don't post fun facts in eve forums as they are insta-trollbait.

PvP is all about mobility and positioning, EHP is largely irrelevant. That held true before the introduction of the Tier3 BCs with Crucible so I'm really not sure why people are complaining now.

That said, Nano-Mega is fun to fly.

While a T3 battlecruiser really is a nice damage platform it can't hold anything in place. If you don't like the way the fight is going, just warp off.

They do need support to keep things in place or a meatshield keeping the enemy on the field whereas battleships and drakes can stand on their own.

HE MEANS TO DEFECT!! Then BLAM-O... Darth Vader destroys the Air to Water sub destroyer... and pulls the Jedi Mind trick on a crewman, along with anyone else in the room... or on the radio.... or in that helicopter... or the guy who loaded the torpedo from the ship to the helicopter... and stuff...


Subs are cool. So are russians. ... and torpedos.. and battleships..

The problem with the OP's point is that he assumes battleships were used in small gangs BEFORE crucible. They weren't. For the past few years, small gangs (not large sov fleets) used BC's and ahac's and smaller stuff. T3 BC's didn't decrease small gang BS usage because BS weren't used by small gangs in the first place.

If anything, T3 BC's hurt HAC usage, but that is another topic. BS aren't used in smaller gangs because they aren't mobile enough to run away from bigger gangs. Simple as that. And that's OK. BS are slowish tanky damage boats (Ignoring the Mach). That's their role. You don't see Dreads in small gangs either. And that's okay too.