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The Mittani 'gets' software

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Tyrion Struan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-03-06 12:09:21 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Heathkit wrote:
This is why the CSM Chairmanship is important, and why people should vote Mittani.

The idea that anyone at CCP gives a flying fart about how many votes a CSM member got in the elections is an insult to their intelligence. They care about the quality of the arguments.


To be honest it seems to me that there are quite a few people at CCP whose intelligence it is perfectly pertinent to question.
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-03-06 21:15:01 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:

The CSM speaks with a single voice not because we are guided and lead by any particular member, but because just about everyone on the CSM is smart enough to realize that this is the optimum use of what leverage we have.

The idea that anyone at CCP gives a flying fart about how many votes a CSM member got in the elections is an insult to their intelligence. They care about the quality of the arguments.

Oh absolutely, I'm sure that CCP doesn't care at all about the internal workings of the CSM.

No doubt, everyone on CSM 6 understands the importance of working together, and I'm sure that's a big part of the reason CSM 6 has been so successful. However, it's an unfortunate truth that even in groups where everyone is committed to working together, sometimes counterproductive disagreements arise.

Everyone agrees on the things that are broken in Eve - botting, imbalanced ships, painful user experience, and so on. However, sometimes in situation where there's such a surfeit of obvious objectives, groups can become deadlocked over decisions that are ultimately arbitrary.

This is why I'd encourage anyone who might be undecided at this point to vote for Mittani (remember, voting opens in just a few hours!), regardless of how you may feel about him personally or his gameplay style. All of the members of the current CSM have proven themselves to be hardworking representatives of the playerbase. However, by giving one of those members a clear mandate, we can empower that member to cut through the internal squabbles that may have hobbled previous CSMs.

If you want your vote to count, vote Mittani. You'll be helping to ensure the CSM continues to be an effective, healthy organization.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-03-06 21:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
wow uhh
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-03-06 21:20:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Marksalot
Shaampoo wrote:

Not always you sound like a massive capitalist have you considerd yourself bias's ?

You should not dictating how CCP is running their company on a video game fourm


Well get a better BA to support it. is agile is hard ?!?!?!?


This is starting to sound like a giant religious dribble. To the extent you can find and replace The mittani with any Deity and it would fit in any religious gathering

In-case any uneducated people take this as a great tip on voting please don't unless you have spent some time researching

like

Scrum infomation and build on to there

OP thanks for shareing your overly bias opionion

I read HURR I MAKE SOFTWARE SO I KNOW COMPUTER GAMES BEST LOLOLOL.

i am not trolling you and it may seem a bit angry but i blame the lack of nicotine but this is debate on how a elective body works not what development process they should use. and saying one person would be better at that than others . I think in a space ship MMO alot of the neck beards who i know play this game can explain scrum vs agile and apply it while cleaning the Cheetos from there fingers


please tell me english is your first language

i want to believe you are this dumb




(you're still dumb regardless)


edit;
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Heathkit wrote:
This is why the CSM Chairmanship is important, and why people should vote Mittani.

You have apparently bought the line that the chairman, and more specifically The Mittani, "leads and guides" the CSM (his words, btw).

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Mittani is not the leader of the CSM, he is the spokesman. And he is the spokesman not because he is the chairman, but because he is the best verbal communicator.

The CSM speaks with a single voice not because we are guided and lead by any particular member, but because just about everyone on the CSM is smart enough to realize that this is the optimum use of what leverage we have.

The idea that anyone at CCP gives a flying fart about how many votes a CSM member got in the elections is an insult to their intelligence. They care about the quality of the arguments.

i have it on good authority that The Mittani lead and guided trebor to make this post
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-06 21:36:22 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
i have it on good authority that The Mittani thinks he lead and guided trebor to make this post

FYP Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2012-03-06 23:09:30 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:

I left RIM specifically after realizing there was no saving them.

As for the rest, you need to do better discrediting my experience.

Issler Danze

Well, it's certainly a small world. That startup I keep mentioning got bought by RIM - I worked with the BES team a bit before I rocket jumped right out of there.

RIM has some really serious organizational problems.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#47 - 2012-03-06 23:34:58 UTC
Heathkit wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:

I left RIM specifically after realizing there was no saving them.

As for the rest, you need to do better discrediting my experience.

Issler Danze

Well, it's certainly a small world. That startup I keep mentioning got bought by RIM - I worked with the BES team a bit before I rocket jumped right out of there.

RIM has some really serious organizational problems.


Salutes a fellow survivor of the most screwed up company I've ever had the misfortune of working for. If RIM had a gold mine they would hollow it out, throwing away the gold to store filing cabinets full of TPS reports, then throw themselves a party for being so awesome.

I had hoped that with some of their strengths (they are still the best solution for messaging) that they could become the premier social device. To give an idea of how screwed up they were, my last team was in charge of social media experiences and we, like all of RIM were blocked from using Facebook, Linkedin and many other sites.

I knew I was doomed when at my first "all hands" divisional meeting, shortly after the first Android phone hit the market that, when I asked about how we were planning to counter Android that I shouldn't worry because "no one is going to take a free phone software platform seriously and all Google knows is search".

RIMs only hope is to sell of their IP while it still has value.

Issler Dainze
The Miner's Friend
CSM 7 Candidate
I get software!
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-03-07 00:35:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
I had hoped that with some of their strengths (they are still the best solution for messaging) that they could become the premier social device. To give an idea of how screwed up they were, my last team was in charge of social media experiences and we, like all of RIM were blocked from using Facebook, Linkedin and many other sites.

Haha, yeah that's amazing. We must have worked in the same area. My company did a social networking tool, and our software wouldn't work on RIM's network because everything was blocked.

It's sad. I liked everyone I met who worked at RIM - they all seemed knowledgable and courteous. All of RIM's problems come right from the top.

Also, voting is now live! Remember, if you want your vote to count, vote Mittani!
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
#49 - 2012-03-07 00:45:35 UTC
VOTE RIVERINI IF YOU DON'T LIKE TO GARGLE WHAT MITTANI GIVES YOU!

http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=454
Heathkit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-03-07 01:54:14 UTC
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
VOTE RIVERINI IF YOU DON'T LIKE TO GARGLE WHAT MITTANI GIVES YOU!

I don't think comment spam is really an effective way to get your point across. You're more likely to make people disinclined to vote for you, I'd think.
Glistening Bravado
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-07 02:30:15 UTC
What is this thread
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#52 - 2012-03-07 08:35:08 UTC
Glistening Bravado wrote:
What is this thread


Proof the Eve forums have become self aware and are creating and posting in their own threads.

Be afraid! Be very afraid!!!

Issler Dainze
Ready for the upcoming Eve forums war against the humans!
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-03-07 12:10:45 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Heathkit wrote:
EVE is a lot of things to many different people - a sandbox, a way to socialize, a storytelling engine. But fundamentally, it's a long running software project. It's important that the CSM understand that when they deal with CCP.

Where I work, we've been adopting scrum recently as a way to manage our projects (you can read about it here). I don't believe in blindly following scrum, but I do think it's important to understand the roles it recommends and why. There are two vital roles in scrum: the product owner and the technical lead.

The product owner understands the business needs of the project. In effect, they determine the "what and why" - what needs to be delivered and why is it important. The important part is that product owners don't determine the implementation and they don't set the schedule - they simply communicate what is necessary for the project to succeed, and prioritize the work to be done. The technical lead is responsible for the "how and when" of the project. They determine how to achieve the product owner's goals and when it can be done.

The important part here is that the product owner only expresses priorities - they simply set the agenda, while the technical lead determines the implementation and when things can be done. When these two roles compete, a workable plan emerges in compromise - one that maximizes the business value delivered while remaining realistic in estimating what the team can accomplish.

While listening to the debate, it struck me that The Mittani understands the role of the product owner very well. In fact, much better than many of the professionals I've worked with over the years. So many CSM candidates think their job is to pontificate on features they'd like to see in the game - to act as a kind of firehose of bad ideas. However, the reason CSM 6 was so successful is that The Mittani instead realized his job was to set the priorities, and let CCP determine what it can deliver and when. When you simply present features, you get bogged down into discussions of technical complexity and implementation details and lose sight of the important thing - the goal you wanted the feature to accomplish. Instead you can achieve more by only setting the priorities, by communicating the results you'd like to achieve, and letting those with technical know-how determine how to achieve those ends.

It's weird to me that he would have this clear, intuitive grasp of these concepts when it's so hard to find well-paid professional software project managers that understand this stuff. But there you have it. Whatever you may think of The Mittani, how he plays the game, or if he sounds a little arrogant, the truth is he's essentially volunteering to work as a product manager for CCP and seems immensely qualified for the task.

Really, the CSM chair isn't just a political position, or a popularity contest. It's an unpaid product manager role on a long running software project. And if you think about it that way, Mittani isn't just the best candidate - he's the only qualified one.



If "getting" software is your criteria for voting then I'm your candidate. I can assure you if software engineering is your criteria I have more and deeper experiences that any other candidate.

Please search on linkedin for my profile (Michele Boland) and review my background, just added another patent by the way!

I'd love to see the professional backgrounds of the other candidates,

Issler Dainze
The CSM 7 Candidate that gets software!



Hush now, the adults are talking about realistic CSM candidates here
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-03-07 12:13:49 UTC
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:
Heathkit wrote:
This is why the CSM Chairmanship is important, and why people should vote Mittani.

You have apparently bought the line that the chairman, and more specifically The Mittani, "leads and guides" the CSM (his words, btw).

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Mittani is not the leader of the CSM, he is the spokesman. And he is the spokesman not because he is the chairman, but because he is the best verbal communicator.

The CSM speaks with a single voice not because we are guided and lead by any particular member, but because just about everyone on the CSM is smart enough to realize that this is the optimum use of what leverage we have.

The idea that anyone at CCP gives a flying fart about how many votes a CSM member got in the elections is an insult to their intelligence. They care about the quality of the arguments.


Hey baldy maybe you should send a spam mail about it :condi:
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