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Ice mining in high sec areas ?
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Qen Tye
In Between
#1 - 2012-03-01 13:07:24 UTC
Just saw below remark from other thread.

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Bots exist because ice mining in high sec is (outside of ganking) completely risk free and exceptionally easy to perform


Is it even possible to mine ice in high sec areas ? I thought it was only in 0.3 and lower it was possible.

*I'm back after a years break and cant remember much other than I was training for ice mining.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#2 - 2012-03-01 13:12:39 UTC
yeah, there's ice in hisec. pretty low-yield though

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2012-03-01 15:52:48 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:

Is it even possible to mine ice in high sec areas ? I thought it was only in 0.3 and lower it was possible.



Moons are .3 and below. Ice is .7 and below.

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Vito Tattaglia
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-02 04:08:29 UTC
It's definitely possible, Ice Fields appear in 0.7 and below. They're pretty low pay out, (250k per raw block of ice compared to 300k for a Strip Cycle worth of raw Veldspar) but Ice fields are often checked much less often than belts by gankers, and many corps actually use the ice for a POS.
Brock Nelson
#5 - 2012-03-02 04:32:28 UTC
I guess we all forgot about Goonswarm's campaign...

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Qen Tye
In Between
#6 - 2012-03-02 06:35:17 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
[Moons are .3 and below. Ice is .7 and below.

Cheers!

That cleared it up for me and dont have to feel I wasted skill points trained it.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-02 13:48:22 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
I guess we all forgot about Goonswarm's campaign...


Never heard of them. What are you talking about Brock?
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#8 - 2012-03-02 14:32:28 UTC
Vito Tattaglia wrote:
It's definitely possible, Ice Fields appear in 0.7 and below. They're pretty low pay out, (250k per raw block of ice compared to 300k for a Strip Cycle worth of raw Veldspar) but Ice fields are often checked much less often than belts by gankers, and many corps actually use the ice for a POS.


Actually regarding high sec systems you are far more likely to be suicide ganked in a Ice Belt as it is more likely for the exhumers there to be afk. Nakugard being a case in point. Asteroid belts in systems that contain ice belts will also tend to be more dangerous.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#9 - 2012-03-02 14:33:42 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Brock Nelson wrote:
I guess we all forgot about Goonswarm's campaign...


Never heard of them. What are you talking about Brock?


Ewww. That's like saying 'Candyman' in the bathroom mirror. Smile
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#10 - 2012-03-02 16:03:34 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Brock Nelson wrote:
I guess we all forgot about Goonswarm's campaign...


Never heard of them. What are you talking about Brock?


Damn shame you're not in Goonswarm yourself Lol would have been funnier.

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Cain Blazed
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-03-02 16:30:39 UTC
Ice mining in highsec is not risk free, you need very little to gank a mackinaw.. Recently it seems to be a surge in killing ice miners.. Lot of the people i know, stopped completly their mining, Questioning if they even should continue to play the game since its so easy to grief them.. I sortoff understand, their ship can't handle the smallest amounts of aggression ^^
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#12 - 2012-03-02 18:37:47 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:
Just saw below remark from other thread.

Quote:
Bots exist because ice mining in high sec is (outside of ganking) completely risk free and exceptionally easy to perform


Is it even possible to mine ice in high sec areas ? I thought it was only in 0.3 and lower it was possible.

*I'm back after a years break and cant remember much other than I was training for ice mining.

You are thinking moon mining, ice is like asteroid mining only it gets processed into isotopes and stuff for fuel.
Qen Tye
In Between
#13 - 2012-03-05 10:22:15 UTC
Cain Blazed wrote:
Ice mining in highsec is not risk free, you need very little to gank a mackinaw.. Recently it seems to be a surge in killing ice miners.. Lot of the people i know, stopped completly their mining, Questioning if they even should continue to play the game since its so easy to grief them.. I sortoff understand, their ship can't handle the smallest amounts of aggression ^^

So should I go for it then ?

On a side note seems pointless to gank ice miners since POs'es needs it for running, so would think most corps would be interested in ice miners, but guess they get it from own members.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#14 - 2012-03-05 11:23:45 UTC
Qen Tye wrote:
Cain Blazed wrote:
Ice mining in highsec is not risk free, you need very little to gank a mackinaw.. Recently it seems to be a surge in killing ice miners.. Lot of the people i know, stopped completly their mining, Questioning if they even should continue to play the game since its so easy to grief them.. I sortoff understand, their ship can't handle the smallest amounts of aggression ^^

So should I go for it then ?

On a side note seems pointless to gank ice miners since POs'es needs it for running, so would think most corps would be interested in ice miners, but guess they get it from own members.



Welp, on that note its also rather pointless to Gank regular miners since almost everything in the game depends on the minerals for manufacturing. Unless they are botting..............Twisted

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astara989
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-05 20:27:17 UTC
Anyone know roughly isk/hour for ice vs mining?
Avasa Siuu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-06 15:23:33 UTC
Brock Nelson wrote:
I guess we all forgot about Goonswarm's campaign...



ice interdiction ftw.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2012-03-07 11:30:50 UTC
astara989 wrote:
Anyone know roughly isk/hour for ice vs mining?


An Orca-load of Ice refined then sold is about 22 million.

Values on an Orca of Minerals varies considerably, obviously.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-03-08 01:53:36 UTC
I run POSes in empire and in w-space, so I need ice products. While pure economic rationalism would argue that in fifteen or so minutes I can clear enough sleepers to buy a half dozen orca loads of ice, I still quite like to undock the orca and a couple macks occasionally and gather me some hisec ice.

There has been a recent surge in ice-belt ganking. This has shifted from small destroyer groups, 2 or 3 at a time, to larger groups of very new characters in cruisers / destroyers. There's nothing subtle about their approach so, unless you're botting or major AFK, they're easy enough to avoid ... a PITA all the same though.

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