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Unlucky or just the way things are now as the life in the industry world?
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#21 - 2012-03-06 21:46:09 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
You know, if the new BCs mean that we can't bring freighter loads of goods too/from Jita, that is going to do some bad things to the EvE economy. Sometimes you just need to move 800k m/3 of trit.


The new BCs would have done that - except that CCP also nerfed insurance, so it has basically balanced out.

In terms of "when does it become profitable to gank a freighter", that number is still above 1.0 billion ISK. So the "for-profit" gank math has not changed at all.
Kirith Vespira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-06 22:55:31 UTC
High-sec ganks and nobody willing to pvp in low? Yup, that's the game today.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2012-03-07 11:20:06 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Jas Dor wrote:
You know, if the new BCs mean that we can't bring freighter loads of goods too/from Jita, that is going to do some bad things to the EvE economy. Sometimes you just need to move 800k m/3 of trit.


The new BCs would have done that - except that CCP also nerfed insurance, so it has basically balanced out

In terms of "when does it become profitable to gank a freighter", that number is still above 1.0 billion ISK. So the "for-profit" gank math has not changed at all.


The balance tipped towards the hauler with the introduction of the orca, and remains so at present. What you can't see, you can't value. If people take the most valuable by m3 40k out of their load for orca moving, their freighter load should be a lot safer.

I use freighter for bulk only, never go over 500mil. I don't count on pirates to be edumacated and count real good, or be sure on true prices (some russian guy on a trial alt using the udema market isn't the guy I trust to value my freighter contents!). Cost neutral odds or a shiny object may be good enough to go for it if the group is near the end of the wait patience and want a kill.

Also ganks have been achieved with 6 phoons, and with mixed tornado/SB groups, both of which probably have sub 1bil requirements for profit expectation, and there is the good old phoon keeps firing till 100k damage is dealt thing, which I do not understand (as I don't believe its a war target scenario).
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#24 - 2012-03-07 13:16:35 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
You know, if the new BCs mean that we can't bring freighter loads of goods too/from Jita, that is going to do some bad things to the EvE economy. Sometimes you just need to move 800k m/3 of trit.


Yeah... because Jita 4-4 is the **ONLY** place in the entire EvE Universe where you can sell stuff, amirite? Roll
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#25 - 2012-03-07 16:11:20 UTC
Tauranon wrote:

I use freighter for bulk only, never go over 500mil. I don't count on pirates to be edumacated and count real good, or be sure on true prices (some russian guy on a trial alt using the udema market isn't the guy I trust to value my freighter contents!). Cost neutral odds or a shiny object may be good enough to go for it if the group is near the end of the wait patience and want a kill.


Or, just outsource your risk via courier contracts with suitable collateral rather then hauling it yourself over high risk bottlenecks (PUSH, Red Frog, public contracts, etc.).

If the shipment gets blown up, you get your collateral back, nor are you dealing with the loss of a ship.
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