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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3441 - 2012-03-07 01:02:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad



Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused.
Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also.
There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea.
I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome


Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this


Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that.


This is 100% truth.


And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. Blink

/asking for proof is not trolling.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3442 - 2012-03-07 01:16:56 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad



Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused.
Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also.
There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea.
I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome


Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this


Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that.


This is 100% truth.


And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. Blink

/asking for proof is not trolling.



Wow didn,t know i made a claim somewhere

Nobody from the playersbase can claim how many people like or dislike WIS
You can only hope there are some that think the same as yourself.
i hope the reason that Team Avatar exist , is that there are signals that enough players like the idea of station walking.




R.S.I2014

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3443 - 2012-03-07 01:23:08 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad



Coming with a great ambulation idea ,putting the whole idea into the trashcan afterwards is making a lot of us a little confused.
Coming with a devblog with no real info and asking us to keep this thread up and don,t participate in the discussion yourself ads a little also.
There where some great ideas on various threads about WIS ,But now we don,t even know what CCP wants with this great idea.
I know that CCP doesn't like to give out comments that could resemble a promise ,but some hopes and CCP own ideas about WIS would be welcome


Combine that with self-repeating trolls ,well, you get this


Don,t get me wrong pls ,You guys added and probably will add good stuff later on to this game.so i thank you for that.


This is 100% truth.


And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry over multiple posts when they are asked for proof. Blink

/asking for proof is not trolling.



Wow didn,t know i made a claim somewhere




You didn't that i am aware of. That was a jab directed at DeMichael Crimson specifically.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#3444 - 2012-03-07 01:33:59 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
Thank you.

I was sort of hoping it would work anytime I was docked, so i could put up a nice portrait when I'm out missioning and an angry one for roams, all with just a push of a key. But what you got will help.

Are the portraits saved between visits to customization? If they were, I can change my portrait just by hitting re-customize, clicking over to the portrait page, make a selection, then leave.

no, they are reset every visit (but I think it would be super cool if we could store expressions, pose and camera settings in your client setting so you could load them when in the portrait step, but I'm not sure how that would all fit in... but something to keep in mind P)



I know this is a bit out of the league at the moment...

But it would be pretty sweet to be able to do the "animated avatar" for somethings in space. I had a link to a Wing Commander clip where you could see some chatter in a video feed with a head there. Obviously much more advanced... ;p This would be pretty cool for NPC chatter at least, if not for player chatter occassionally. ;p

Linked with EVE Voice we could see who is talking to us rather than having to see a little broadcast icon!

I know, I know. It's not happening. But meanwhile...


CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


Don't be sad! Just deliver. :)

Where I am.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3445 - 2012-03-07 01:40:29 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
Did so
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
did not
Doc Fury wrote:
did too
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
didn't
Doc Fury wrote:
did


LOL! Get a room guys.

Mr Epeen Cool










DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3446 - 2012-03-07 01:40:49 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry when they are asked for proof. Blink

/asking for proof is not trolling.


You constantly beating your chest and stomping your feet about my statement without providing any contradicting evidence proves that you are indeed trolling.

The basis for my statement was already provided yet you choose to ignore it while constantly posting this unsubstantiated claim that I'm angry and making false statements. I'll post it once again so you can see for yourself.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548

Now you post a link providing contradiction to my statement. If you're too lazy to do that or worse, just plain incompetent, then STFU and quit stalking me.





Taiwanistan
#3447 - 2012-03-07 01:41:48 UTC
hey ccp krankar i bestow you with a gift of two words
MEANINGFUL GAMEPLAY

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3448 - 2012-03-07 02:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Doc Fury wrote:


And don't forget to add the players who make unsubstantiated claims about WIS and then complain and get angry when they are asked for proof. Blink

/asking for proof is not trolling.


You constantly beating your chest and stomping your feet about my statement without providing any contradicting evidence proves that you are indeed trolling.

The basis for my statement was already provided yet you choose to ignore it while constantly posting this unsubstantiated claim that I'm angry and making false statements. I'll post it once again so you can see for yourself.

http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1469548

Now you post a link providing contradiction to my statement. If you're too lazy to do that or worse, just plain incompetent, then STFU and quit stalking me.



I don't hold a contrary position. I have not stamped my feet or beat my chest as much as you like to believe or try to convince others that is happening. You are the one becoming angry (enraged it would seem) because you choose to hurl, ad hominem insults instead of dialog.

I am asking yet again for your proof. I don't believe any evidence exists either way. Why should I have to disprove something you have already stated is a fact, but you can't prove? That's a fallacy argument as I've already pointed out, and is very disingenuous of you.

The only proof you've been able to provide to try to backup your "A majority of EVE players want WIS" claim so far, has been a Dev quote that stated:

"A number of players have asked for this."

A number.. hmm how many players is that exactly? You or I don't know for sure, but that's what you provide as your evidence.

Where exactly in your latest link is a Dev or any information provided by CCP that states a MAJORITY of players want WIS? Can you please quote something, are you just lazy, do you not know what majority means, or does your evidence simply not exist? You do realize you can link to specific posts in a thread?

If you really think I am stalking you, you should file a petition, or better yet, cry to Issler again that the bad, bad man insists that you back up the baseless claims you post in these forums with evidence. I'm not lazy at all and would be happy to review anything specific you can put forth, but you are proving to be a poor liar or completely delusional, and are just getting hostile and trying to deflect your anger upon me because you've been caught lying, and you aren't even brave enough to admit your "majority" claim was just your opinion when you were given the chance.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3449 - 2012-03-07 02:05:45 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:


LOL! Get a room guys.

Mr Epeen Cool












no we don,t Cool

R.S.I2014

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3450 - 2012-03-07 02:25:38 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:


LOL! Get a room guys.

Mr Epeen Cool












no we don,t Cool

Yes you do. P

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3451 - 2012-03-07 02:38:50 UTC
lol

R.S.I2014

Fighter26
Orion's Fist
#3452 - 2012-03-07 03:42:08 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


Karkur, not everyone feels this way. Honestly WIS is a feature that is a neat thing to do when not flying internet spaceships. I wish your team luck at making common areas, they sound great and coming from a team environment myself it is easy to get multiple projects going and stay on task. Keep up the good work.
Taiwanistan
#3453 - 2012-03-07 03:51:42 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
Heard about this interview through the grape vine. Seems to have been uploaded in February and largely fallen under the radar. Interesting discussion uploaded to YouTube. (I am not the owner of this video nor am I the interviewer).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpcSGcqHtmc&feature=youtu.be

listen and weep, barbie lovers

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3454 - 2012-03-07 03:57:38 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
wow... just wow. I hope you guys are joking.
I'm sorry we are delivering something as well as working on wis... or no, actually I'm not sorry, I'm just sorry that some of you see it this way Sad


Please ignore the pro-WiS trolls. They are a tiny fraction of the playerbase and are happy to advocate for things that would be really bad for the future of Eve..

Most of us are happy with what we are seeing and are excited about the direction of the game.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3455 - 2012-03-07 04:25:07 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:


**rant**



First of all, this latest post of yours is a classic example of more chest beating and foot stomping, no matter how many words you type saying it isn't.

Secondly, I never said it was a confirmed CCP fact.

Thirdly, you are indeed lazy as well as a liar since your whole posted reply is completely false.

Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.

But no, you gotta write a 1000 word novel again shouting 'ad hominem' along with insults saying I won't provide anything to back up my statement. Instead of singing your same old song again, read that thread and then provide a link to another thread that was created before the 'Summer of Rage' showing players didn't want WiS Ambulation.

Since you can't produce anything contrary to refute that, you continue to post your delusional troll rant against me in an attempt to derail this thread.

Since this seems to be your intention all along, I'm done messing with you.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3456 - 2012-03-07 04:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Ladie Harlot
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.


Not even close.

Edit: I realized that you weren't talking about this thread and were talking about a thread that happened before Incarna.

Of course everybody was pro-WiS back then...we still believed CCP could pull it all off. Then summer came and we saw what two years of Eve neglect had bought us.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3457 - 2012-03-07 05:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Maybe if you bothered to look at the thread I linked and read through it, you'd see that the majority of the posted replies in it were in favor of WiS Ambulation.


So now you are moving the goalposts. Not too surprising I suppose, now that you've been caught making stuff up (lying). You seem to have a limited understanding of what English words mean. What you said originally was: "The majority of the player base has wanted WiS" which is completely different than what you are claiming now. Here, I'll even link it all up for you, because I'm not lazy:

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#15
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


lol, funny how people post incorrect statements without checking the facts.

The majority of the player base has wanted WiS ever since CCP previewed Ambulation back in 2006.


Facts are funny things eh? In the same post you managed to chide others for posting incorrect statements and not checking facts and then you make a whopper of an unsubstantiated claim at the same time.

I and another player shortly after simply and politely asked you for proof to backup your claims without taking any position of our own, and you got all pissy with us and started with your "no, you" rebuttals and hurling insults.

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/1#30
Doc Fury wrote:

Please provide links to an official CCP citation that backs-up your assertion that a majority of players wanted WIS.

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#53
Ai Shun wrote:

Do you have a source for this? I've seen you claim this; I've seen other people claim the opposite. Thus far I've not seen a single iota of proof for these assertions. Now I recall from an earlier thread you were lambasting people for claiming the opposite. I sincerely hope you can back up your claims.


Followed by your "proof" via ad hominem and proving non-existence fallacies :

DeMichael Crimson wrote:

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#38
Since you obviously only do selective quoting and can't provide links proving me wrong, STFU.

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#41
Obviously you're lazy or incompetent and I won't be arsed into doing any work for you.

Obviously you and others like you are so blinded by ignorance that you can't even accept the actual truth when it's presented. Feel free to look over the events and multiple forum threads during the summer of 2011, then STFU.

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/2#55
Same to you, I haven't seen you provide any 'iota' of proof to back up your statements either. Please link your source stating that the majority of the player base did not want WiS when CCP first previewed Ambulation.


continued next post

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3458 - 2012-03-07 05:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
--continued --

Then you made a final failed attempt to explain how burden of proof works outside of the criminal court system.

http://eve-search.com/thread/76478-1/page/3#62
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

Heh, don't know what country the two of you live in but according to the 'Free' world country's, a person is innocent until proven guilty. In other words, the burden of proof falls on you to prove I am making false statements.

Anyway, you definitely excel at posting a bunch of 'Nada' while beating your chests and stomping your feet.. so no more soup for you. Hope you choke on it since the two of you are incapable of doing a little bit of research.


All of that anger and deflection from you just because 2 players politely asked for your evidence without making any claims themselves who then only kept asking you when you tried to evade the issue. Deep anger and paranoia issues, I think you haz them.

So, who here is beating their chest, foot stamping and ranting, who is trolling, and who is lying?
(rhetorical question)

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Taiwanistan
#3459 - 2012-03-07 05:16:06 UTC
welp, it's a done deal, FIS reigns supreme, for the foreseeable future.
according to Herr CCP T0rfi the friggin Art Director not me, in an interview given this year 2012, not 2006.
focus and priority is now placed on the core essence of eve, which is spaceships (spaceships creation and destruction)
anything else is extraneous (Herr T0rfi's words) and frivolous and worthless (my words).

so how what do you say DMC? still going to keep arguing semantics with Doc Fury?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3460 - 2012-03-07 05:34:48 UTC
173 pages over a useless feature man look at you pubbies go

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them