EVE General Discussion

Which is why the CSM is all but useless. I don't have to read a thing to know where I want Eve to be, and you have no way of representing the player base. What percent of the player base have you been in contact with?

'Most people' can mean a lot of things, but it doesn't really apply to the interaction I have with 'most people'. TBH, I get quite a lot of EVEmail as a CSM member. Sometimes it's one a day and when things are really crazy (Jita riots, etc...) I got 18 in one day. There is the occasional flame but nearly every mail I get (or PM on 'that other forum') is pretty supportive. Usually I get asked questions about what is being done, WHEN will this or that be fixed and such. I do my best to answer them.

I understand that players are frustrated. Read my blog and go back and look at my past posts in the old forums or Failheap and you'll see that my frustration is as much or more than most. However, assigning any kind of blame to the CSM for CCP not doing things isn't the answer. We really are and have done everything possible to affect change. Hopefully, time will bear this out.



I could be snarky and say that it's to help pull CCP's feet out of the fire when they cause players to riot, but there's more to it than that. The correct answer is still the most obvious one - so CCP can have a direct line to people willing to give up a lot of their free time, sign an NDA, and try to work with them in order to improve the game. Sometimes it's not all roses though and both sides have to butt heads in order to get anything done. We're still more efficient than the US Congress.



As I said earlier, if you follow the CSM at all, what we're saying isn't new. I'm saying the same stuff I always have been. Also, the blog I linked in the OP was published a few days before our first meeting with CCP Zulu. I'm still waiting to see what the 'meat' of what's going on is, just like the rest of you but what I've heard so far is enough to make me wait just a little longer.



Here's something I wrote back in March about the Supercap issue: Supercap Rage. This is something I very much want to see something done about because it was never finished or properly followed up on. Pretty much the entire CSM is on record for wanting a supercap nerf and the entire point of the latest 'Media Blitz' and my Reality Check blog was to reinforce those statements. Basically, we're bitching about the exact same stuff you do not think we have a clue about.



Wormholes are amazing. Stop being mad.

Touched a nerve did I


You interact with people who evidently support you.
I interact with multitudes of people actually playing the game.




So your assessment of yourself, will be different then my assessment of the CSM along with the general player base. Sure any given congressmen gets lots of handshakes and smiles, but the general population thinks that he is totally corrupt and full of crap.


It's like dat yo.




Now Are you going to address anything in my list?
Or just pretend like it is not there in true CCP/CSM fashion?

Damn, I hate that. I tend to do this **** in Word and hit SAVE a lot unless I'm just trolling one liners.



While everyone likes to jump on the "ZOMG CSM6 IS DA EVIL NULLSEC DOODS!" bandwagon, the fact is that the NPE is something near and dear to many of us. Hell, Mittens is constantly bringing in new people and rails about how steep the learning cliff is. It's something I talked a lot about when I was working at CCP and I can tell you that it's something they take very seriously. It's something that really does need a dedicated team to spend a full development cycle on and we're all very aware of the shortcomings of EVE in this area.



Yep. The sov system and SC's are dumb right now, but that's what happens when you implement a (incomplete) new sov system and attempt to re-balance such a visible ship class... and then don't touch them for nearly 2 years. This is a particular frustration of mine and I bring it up often and loudly.



As I said earlier, touching something like this once every 3-4 years is probably not enough.



I didn't ask anything and PL has nothing to do with my views on the game. I've had the same thoughts for a looooong time, m8.

I hate wormholes because when they first came out I was leading a 1,200 man alliance that was laying claim to several. We built rorq's in 4 out of twelve before i got burnt out on the whole Idea.


Nice of you to assume that I don't know what I am talking about though and that you are exclusively right.


I sadly have to go head out the door,
I'll be back here to give you more reality checks in a few hours.





Edit: I have to respond to this now and not later




This is so utterly naive, that it reaffirms to anyone who plays this game at the higher levels that you simply do not have a clue. How can it be made better if the CMS does not understand the underlining issues in part or in full?

Of course its Thursday now and were still waiting for tthe super awesome blog that is going to reassure us CCP has listened. Its looking like yet another friday afternoon release of an important devblog which of course intimates they havent listened.

Oh well

Eternum, when you want to make a point, please substantiate it.
Saying I'm "naive" doesn't make anything you say more true. (ad hominem)
Saying you also have had experiences with WHs way back when doesn't lend any credence to your assertion our stance is wrong, please substantiate (please see my comment about having no idea what package a WH mineral nerf would be a part of).
I never claim myself to be exclusively right, but that doesn't make me wrong either.

Looking forward to some substance when you get back.

NEX is rubbish.... ok let's put that issue away I like your blog on the current issues that need addressing within the game however there was also a small mention about manpower and resources. Has anything been done on the side of the CSM to address this issue because if nothing actually gets done then this situation of 'broken' stuff will be here still in a couple of years as it always has been since eve began. If the devs or whoever would like to answer that question can give a 'yes or no' answer to that then fine, at least we know where we are in the development side of things. Manpower and resources take money, and there is a big shortage of that worldwide more so the money side. If i missed any response on this then let me know, i was away for a while and came back finding a disgruntled player base and riots.

I agree also that it is not about a pair of sunglasses in a vanity store that makes the game (who would disagree with that) but sadly it's what nearly all MMO's are focusing towards nowadays except here you still pay a subscription, and it seems to be the future for any MMO currently being released (free to play, pay to be a hero). I used to enjoy the character and fun of eve no matter where i lived where ever it be high, low, null or worm space. How can the higher management at CCP be persuaded not to follow this route?

I have been positive and negative in the past about this issue of Eve being pushed aside, largely because there are many threads on it and it is tiresome to see sometimes but i hope the CSM can get it back on track with the help of some devs. I could type an essay on the issues and how the world can be saved by getting all the world leaders sitting around a large bonfire with hotdogs and beer, but will leave it at that .

Lets Take This From The Top
I will format it as best as I can to avoid (insert generic wall of text)








Wormhole Minerals (An Exceedingly Useless Debate)




So what you're saying is that YOU have a vested interest in minerals, amiright? Minerals coming out of wormholes are irrelevant to 99% of the eve player base. This is a non-issue, it does not effect the game in any perceivable way and the “mining hordes” pulling ABC’s out of unknown space into empire are few and far between (to say the least)

So why are we discussing this?
Could it because some of the CSM’s are interested in it?
Even though the rest of EVE don’t give a damn?

Yes... I suspect so and I am not the only one.





Resource Allocation and Priorities
Vs Creative solutions to old problems








Take the API (which already exists) and then make a Killboard-like feature that is accessible in game (just like the killboards we use in our external browser) Suddenly you have a mechanic in game that can tell the rest of eve who won, lost, who was the biggest griefer and perhaps even whether or not ransoms were paid to end the war.


This would give wardecs a small measure more meaning then they have now.
Simply to have an in game system to show us the winners and losers (and perhaps the history of corps and alliances)



This would not require much allocation of CCP’s recourses to implement and it would make allot of people happy. Mkay? Throw a dog a bone and make us happy for a while.









Maybe take 1. ) The Already existing API system 2.) The Already existing map system and 3. The Already existing Faction Warfare system and combine them? Let people join one of the factions and a certain amount of kills could easily be made to equal “influence” over certain regions and constellations over the other factions IN LOW SEC


Benefit?

How about give the Already Existing Lv 5 agents a major buff in terms of rewards and only have them spawn when certain factions are in control of the space? Only pilots/corps with good faction standings could use them, so it would only benefit low sec dwellers (not null sec empires) AND it would give them an incentive to NOT ONLY PVP but defend their “influence”



Again throw a dog a bone and make him happy for a little while
That is what expansion day is for!







I for one am tired of being represented by people who 1. have their own personal interests in mind or 2. have no real grasp of the root causes that form today's current issues. I am also pretty fed up with this tarp that all of you like to hide under "There is not enough resources to allocate so we have to prioritize...." in order to avoid issues that are YEARS OLD that the player base has been begging for every time you ask us what we want.


Are my solutions the end all? No. But at least they are an attempt to look at it from a perspective that includes current game mechanics Vs. what the player base is asking for. Minimal time and resource heavy without actually telling us that you don't have the time. Try finding more creative solutions to a problem instead of telling us "we don't have the time we are working on something else"



Throw a dog a little bone
Make him happy
Tell him that he will get more Soon (tm)

And reap the benefits of a happy community... or... I guess you can just find the time to nerf wormhole minerals instead