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PI - Extractors not reporting accurate totals?
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Dragnkat
The Chartered Company
#1 - 2011-09-21 22:23:08 UTC
Very confused right now as I'm not sure what is causing this. but I was redoing a extractor setup and set it with 10 heads and around 16 hours to pull in one million total units.

Yet when I checked the setup after upgrading the link (straight extractor linked to launchpad, nothing else) My one million on the survey screen was now only 500k, and the units per hour was halved as well?

What exactly is causing this, and which total am I actually getting? Never noticed this on other setups until now.
Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-09-21 23:11:26 UTC
What's your Planeteology skills.
Dragnkat
The Chartered Company
#3 - 2011-09-21 23:21:43 UTC
Level 4 Planeteology
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2011-09-22 02:13:00 UTC
The ECU numbers initially shown will always be wrong (and the hot spots will not be where you think it is) until probably you get 5/5 in Planetology and Adv Planetology trained. However 3/0 is good enough for casual work and 4/3 (basic/advanced) skill is generally enough for those who care enough to worry about it.

However, if you install the program (start the ECU), then go back in and look at it again, the numbers in the lower-right corner of the survey window (where you create/remove ECU heads) will then be accurate. So, you can play a game of "guess where the hot-spot is" via trial and error.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-22 05:26:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyniac
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
The ECU numbers initially shown will always be wrong (and the hot spots will not be where you think it is) until probably you get 5/5 in Planetology and Adv Planetology trained. However 3/0 is good enough for casual work and 4/3 (basic/advanced) skill is generally enough for those who care enough to worry about it.

However, if you install the program (start the ECU), then go back in and look at it again, the numbers in the lower-right corner of the survey window (where you create/remove ECU heads) will then be accurate. So, you can play a game of "guess where the hot-spot is" via trial and error.


5/5 Planetology/Adv planetology will give accurate results, but only with longish programmes. I am not sure why but the shorter the program the bigger the variability in the estimate of the extraction rate. 16 hours is a short programme where the estimate will never be completely accurate.

Another thing - the method of guess the hotspot you suggested does work sort of - but you have to realise that by starting and stopping programmes you are actually depleting the hotspot fairly fast - while this was a very viable way to find hotspots in the previous incarnation of PI doing it now risks leaving you with a depleted hotspot before you actually start extracting.


To the OP - every number related to extraction rates prior to installing an extraction programme is an estimate - from the sounds of what you are doing it seems as if you had already setup the extraction and had simply upgraded the link. This should not lead to an actual change in extraction rates if the extraction programme was already running - not quite sure what might have happened in that case.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#6 - 2011-09-22 12:15:07 UTC
Cyniac wrote:
Another thing - the method of guess the hotspot you suggested does work sort of - but you have to realise that by starting and stopping programmes you are actually depleting the hotspot fairly fast - while this was a very viable way to find hotspots in the previous incarnation of PI doing it now risks leaving you with a depleted hotspot before you actually start extracting.


Since no extraction happens until you submit your PI changes (over in the build/scan window), you can test without hitting "submit". Install program, go back into ECU window, check, then just "cancel" your pending PI changes. Which shouldn't impact the amounts on the planet at all because you're not actually stopping/restarting multiple times.

Unless, of course, there's a bug.

(I don't personally do the repeated guessing methods - but I do go back in after the ECU has started and jot down the "actual" numbers. Then I enter those per-hour output averages into a spreadsheet that tracks how much ISK/day that I'm getting from the planet. Useful for identifying planets that aren't performing up to expectations, which I tend swap out once a month.)
Fritz Ionar
Electronic Scientific Recreational
#7 - 2011-09-22 13:30:00 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Cyniac wrote:
Another thing - the method of guess the hotspot you suggested does work sort of - but you have to realise that by starting and stopping programmes you are actually depleting the hotspot fairly fast - while this was a very viable way to find hotspots in the previous incarnation of PI doing it now risks leaving you with a depleted hotspot before you actually start extracting.


Since no extraction happens until you submit your PI changes (over in the build/scan window), you can test without hitting "submit". Install program, go back into ECU window, check, then just "cancel" your pending PI changes. Which shouldn't impact the amounts on the planet at all because you're not actually stopping/restarting multiple times.

Have you tested this? I was under the impresion that it's just an estimate until you submit, not until you press install? I'll try it next it's time to reset my extractors Smile
Loki Sei
#8 - 2011-09-22 14:48:20 UTC
Fritz Ionar wrote:
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
Cyniac wrote:
Another thing - the method of guess the hotspot you suggested does work sort of - but you have to realise that by starting and stopping programmes you are actually depleting the hotspot fairly fast - while this was a very viable way to find hotspots in the previous incarnation of PI doing it now risks leaving you with a depleted hotspot before you actually start extracting.


Since no extraction happens until you submit your PI changes (over in the build/scan window), you can test without hitting "submit". Install program, go back into ECU window, check, then just "cancel" your pending PI changes. Which shouldn't impact the amounts on the planet at all because you're not actually stopping/restarting multiple times.

Have you tested this? I was under the impresion that it's just an estimate until you submit, not until you press install? I'll try it next it's time to reset my extractors Smile


I have done it this way for months. I place the extractor heads and do not even look at the estimate. I hit "Install" then click the ECU while it is still Yellow and that number has never been different from the yield for the fist cycle.

As mentioned, if it does not seem high enough based on my experience with the planet, or my needs, I hit cancel and do it again till i find a setup that suits my needs.