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Warning Forums are going to Explode. New Dev Blog on Skill Training and Ship Balance.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#21 - 2012-03-06 18:47:33 UTC
I think they are just going to refund Battlecruiser and Destroyer to 5 SP and give you a book based on your birth race for free.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-03-06 18:48:22 UTC
While i agree the systems not equal currently, does this mean then when racial dessy/BC skill comes in which i have at 5, ccp will give me that sp back but then give me 4 new skill books to spend it on, replacing only one ship to lvl 5 and not being able to fly the others at all?

LAME

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#23 - 2012-03-06 18:49:15 UTC
Alara you normally much such good posts. I'm disappointed that you had to be the one to start the GD whine thread.

Everyone chill the **** out. No plans are set in stone yet.

Katrina Oniseki
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#24 - 2012-03-06 18:50:57 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77673&find=unread keep all feedback there.

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Alara IonStorm
#25 - 2012-03-06 18:52:09 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Alara you normally much such good posts. I'm disappointed that you had to be the one to start the GD whine thread.

I am not whining, I am taking this in stride while new information is presented. Just a friendly warning that things are about to get real. (To use modern colloquialisms.)
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Everyone chill the **** out. No plans are set in stone yet.

I am chill but I will update the OP with this phrase.
Fighter26
Orion's Fist
#26 - 2012-03-06 18:55:56 UTC
This is fine... if all players who have V's in unsplit skills get V's in the new ones.
Mister Alt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-03-06 19:01:05 UTC
I'm sorry, but to all those saying "chill, its not set in stone"...

How often do the peabrains that come up with this bollocks make significant changes once they've shown their complete failure to understand the problem?
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-03-06 19:01:16 UTC  |  Edited by: My Neutral Toon
Cyrus Deacon wrote:
Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS




fr the millionth time

WiS was not a bag IDEA it was poorly implemented. Before WiS came out, the community was SCREAMING for it...


on topic:

this is pure retardation at its best. What possible 'game balance' is going to be achieved by this? other than making it easier to get into the ships that are supposed to be the hardest to fly?


CCP Train of Thought: "Hey, people are screaming to make it harder to get into/fly/manufacture caps because the game is getting flooded with them. Lets make it take less time to fly one. That will help"

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#29 - 2012-03-06 19:02:53 UTC
A little cross posting (you really should go talk in the official thread if you have an opinion) to help quiet fear somewhat.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.

As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.



it not just not appealing its crazy.

pre patch i can fly all cs's and all dic's. post patch im ******. i either pick to fly a claymore or damnation or a vulture (eos is **** anyhow) and then im screwed for the next 80 odd days retraining for ships i could already fly.

you either reduce the ranks of the destroyer and bc skills so reimbursed skill points from the old cover all 4 races, or you just give people all 4 races.




We'll find a suitable reimbursement that makes everyone happy. I'm not terribly fussed about giving away a little extra if it moves we move the ship progression system into a better place.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#30 - 2012-03-06 19:04:33 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

I am not whining, I am taking this in stride while new information is presented. Just a friendly warning that things are about to get real. (To use modern colloquialisms.)
I am chill but I will update the OP with this phrase.


No, I know you are. I'm mostly referring to the other posters in this thread.

Katrina Oniseki
Alara IonStorm
#31 - 2012-03-06 19:05:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Little more Dev Info.

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.

As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.

EDIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT:


New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.

So you don't have to search the Threadnaught.

Pr0 Tip: Devs have been talking about this so the Dev Finder has all their recent posts at the top.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-03-06 19:14:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief
On one hand, I like it. Never did make sense to me how you could just skip Destroyers (and Battlecruisers, if you wanted to). Also anything that makes it easier for them to balance ships is a good thing. Because, let's face it, after 9 years the game is still far, far, FAR from balanced. One look at "preferred" ships for various activities shows this in all its gory glory.

On the other hand, they need to think some major reimbursement. For example, what happens to people who have all four factions trained up to Battleship? Will we lose access to our current Battleships because we don't have high enough Battlecruiser skill? No big deal, but annoying. EDIT: And if they follow "if you could fly it before, you can still fly it later" philosophy, that means a TON of free SP points. Currently I can fly Battleships of each race, which means I would have to be given four Battlecruiser skills up to level 4, four Destroyer skills to level 4, etc. That's a boatload of SP.

Bottom line, sounds very, very messy. Not the change itself, but rather the transition. If I were doing it, I would remove ALL ship skills and reimburse people with the points and let them figure out what they want.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#33 - 2012-03-06 19:14:44 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Little more Dev Info.

CCP Ytterbium wrote:
The skill requirement changes for destroyers and battlecruisers is very tricky to tackle indeed. We fully acknowledge having to re-train for ships you can already fly is not appealing at all.

As said in the blog, nothing is set in stone yet, we are considering various reimbursement options as this is still quite a high level change.

EDIT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT:


New destroyer and battlecruiser skills would be same rank than existing ones
We have a "if you could fly it before, you can fly it now" philosophy, that means properly reimbursing/giving skills not to leave people stranded in ships they could fly before the change. Again, nothing is fixed yet.

So you don't have to search the Threadnaught.

Pr0 Tip: Devs have been talking about this so the Dev Finder has all their recent posts at the top.


Search the threadnaught? LOL

It's post 13.

Mr Epeen Cool
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-03-06 19:15:56 UTC
TBH i think its in general its a good idea.

To people who have not been playing this game for a long time and ignorant vets stop saying its dumbing down EVE......ffs the way CCP poorly implemented MOST things WAS DUMB and should be fixed.....

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Alara IonStorm
#35 - 2012-03-06 19:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Mr Epeen wrote:

Search the threadnaught? LOL

It's post 13.

Mr Epeen Cool

I don't know the numbers, I have just been pulling them straight from the Dev Finder.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2012-03-06 19:23:25 UTC
Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#37 - 2012-03-06 19:29:14 UTC
So, let's see...cap ships much easier to get into.
Time to start hoarding minerals and cranking out caps.

Less requirements = less game experienced (not the same as ingame skills) players in caps = more losses = greater demand for caps = greater sale of plexes in game as the kiddies can't wait to grind ISK for shiny = more ISK in game = inflation = everything costs more.

Brilliant CCP. Someone can turn the key on a carrier faster than they can pilot a T2 cruiser. It is of course a completely different thing about flying the ship WELL, but that is irrelevant. The marketing geniuses that thought this up know that a 13 year old kid will not care about getting the proper skills to fly one well, as opposed to flying one quickly.

Going to be pretty dumb indeed.

Recruiter: Do you have advanced weapons upgrade V and are you able to use T2 medium guns?
6 month old char: No, but I can climb into a Nyx.
Malken
Sleiipniir
#38 - 2012-03-06 19:30:17 UTC
im interested in how the split of lets say the Battlecruiser skill to racial will work out.

i got all races frig/cruiser/BS to 5 and Battlecruiser skill.
would i be forced to have caldari only at 5?, and then buy and train up the other races again??
wondering since im slightly overqualified in the racial game since way back when CCP fubared my amarr ships.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-03-06 19:30:38 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.


eves always been about specalisation etc and this makes alot of sense. While im not super chuffed about learnign the new stuff, its more about removing unessery tedious stuff for the new players.

I wish everything eve is now, was like it when i joined because id be doing way better for it overall by now thats for sure.

As long as im not robbed of any ships i fly, which the devs say is their goal, free sp to fill the gap or whatever is doable to make the game that much more solid overall for the future.

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Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-03-06 19:31:37 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Dumbing down eve?
More like making it more complicated.


Agreed.

If this works as intended, we might see as much as double the number of hulls commonly seen. Maybe I'll actually have a reason to fly a Prophecy after this.

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