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[CSM] The Independent Voter's Guide to the CSM 7 Elections

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#141 - 2012-03-06 14:35:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Snow Axe wrote:
[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]Besieging crap for hours is NOT an option. Being forced to grind asteroids for hours is NOT an option. And losing your hard earned sutff to a bunch of teenagers and jobless punks is NOT an option.[/quote

Besides the fact that you absolutely don't have to do either of the first two options at all, your opposition to the third idea just makes me realize the game isn't for you. Losing all of your stuff to anyone (jobless/teenage or otherwise) is not only an option for Eve, it's an option that is outright NECESSARY for very large parts of the playerbase. Fighting against this is akin to going onto a WoW forum and saying the fantasy setting is "NOT an option"

Don't take it personally or anything - Eve is a niche game, and it well and truly isn't for everyone. However, that niche basically revolves around the fact that at ANY point in the game, docked or otherwise, your stuff is at some degree of risk. If that is unacceptable or incomprehensible for you, there's not much left to say aside from "try another MMO".

Also, a nitpick perhaps considering you basically hate the game, but Eve is probably one of the friendliest games for a 30+ crowd with jobs/lives/etc due to the combination of AFK skill progression and CCP-sanctioned isk buying. Not having to log in and grind for ANYTHING is an option few other MMO's can offer, if any.


Well, I've been pretty comfy in this game for 3 years and have spent some 800 euros on it, so no, I don't hate EVE. On the contrary, pretty much EVE hates me for playing solo, casual, PvE and hisec, and for hoping that WiS could provide some extra gameplay.

Also is just amazing how a game can give every skilling facility in the world to casual players but don't provide any actual casual-friendly gameplay... amazing and a bit suicidal as EVE player base is not going to grow younger (current average is 34, chronologically at least) and thus people with "casual" needs are being essentially quicked out of the game once they exhaust the limited casual-friendly content.

Geez, i got to lure in 4 noobs and 2 of them left because they didn't have the time to play EVE endgame, so, why worry getting there?
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2012-03-06 15:33:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Well, I've been pretty comfy in this game for 3 years and have spent some 800 euros on it, so no, I don't hate EVE. On the contrary, pretty much EVE hates me for playing solo, casual, PvE and hisec, and for hoping that WiS could provide some extra gameplay.


Given your posts in this thread, I think the last way I'd describe you in this game is "comfy". But really, you're playing a MMORPG with non-consentual PVP as one of its main selling points and upset that you can't avoid all PVP and play solo. Expecting content with WiS is also sort of indicative of this game not being for you, since you undocking and doing literally anything is the first step in creating content not only for yourself, but for others who may (a) work with you or (b) hunt you for sport or profit. If you can't deal with (b) then EVE isn't for you, regardless of how many years you've sunk into it trying to show the opposite.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Also is just amazing how a game can give every skilling facility in the world to casual players but don't provide any actual casual-friendly gameplay... amazing and a bit suicidal as EVE player base is not going to grow younger (current average is 34, chronologically at least) and thus people with "casual" needs are being essentially quicked out of the game once they exhaust the limited casual-friendly content.


And again, this is indicative of your problematic attitude towards the game. You do everything solo, so no doubt the work required to get anything done is daunting, especially when you run the risk of becoming very dead at the hands of people who most definitely are not playing solo. The solution to this is to stop playing solo, get with a corp, do things in a group. Everything becomes easier that way - mining* less tedious, production and supplying easier, hell, you might even dabble in other types of gameplay you never tried before. Either way, step one is to stop being so insular and find a corp with like minded interests, otherwise you're on the fast track to burnout-and-quit-city.

* I know you mentioned mining's huge lack of profitability in your previous post, and it's true though the major fix for that (removing drone alloy drops from Drone Region NPC ships) is already on its way. The fact that this fix took so long to even be recognized was due in large part to CCP's completely wrong focus on Incarna/WiS while the rest of the game burned. You can thank the CSM and the players' revolt for changing that.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Geez, i got to lure in 4 noobs and 2 of them left because they didn't have the time to play EVE endgame, so, why worry getting there?


Honestly, given the introduction they got from you and how much of the game your style makes you simply miss out on, I'm more surprised all 4 of them didn't leave.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-03-06 18:37:07 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Trebor... you know that CCP is curently developing not one, but TWO avatar based games, do you? Roll

Yes, and we all know what happens when they try and develop THREE, don't we? Twisted

Quote:
All in all, EVE must be the less fun game i ever played. And I didn't played it for being fun, actually, but because of goals and being able to achieve them. But once it burns out... it burns out. Nullsec is crap and everything else is in varied degrees of being broken, abandoned or non-existant.

And yet here you are, still playing after more than a year, when other games have attrition rates that are much higher -- and you're a newbie compared to a lot of players.

Hell, I've been playing 4 years, and I'm a newbie compared to a lot of players.

We all b*tch and moan, and yet here we are, still playing. Because for all it's many imperfections, EVE is the most socially addictive MMO out there by at least an order of magnitude.

The risk that making a major change to the way people interact with EVE -- of pissing in the secret sauce, if you will -- is one that has to be very carefully weighed before taking an irreversible and transformative step.

Much safer, perhaps, to attempt to apply what has been learned (and duplicate the secret sauce) in a new game that is naturally avatar-based. It would have to be a dark world, though, full of cruelty and evil. I dunno, maybe something with Vampires might be worth considering.

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#144 - 2012-03-06 21:41:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Snow Axe wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Well, I've been pretty comfy in this game for 3 years and have spent some 800 euros on it, so no, I don't hate EVE. On the contrary, pretty much EVE hates me for playing solo, casual, PvE and hisec, and for hoping that WiS could provide some extra gameplay.


Given your posts in this thread, I think the last way I'd describe you in this game is "comfy". But really, you're playing a MMORPG with non-consentual PVP as one of its main selling points and upset that you can't avoid all PVP and play solo. Expecting content with WiS is also sort of indicative of this game not being for you, since you undocking and doing literally anything is the first step in creating content not only for yourself, but for others who may (a) work with you or (b) hunt you for sport or profit. If you can't deal with (b) then EVE isn't for you, regardless of how many years you've sunk into it trying to show the opposite

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Also is just amazing how a game can give every skilling facility in the world to casual players but don't provide any actual casual-friendly gameplay... amazing and a bit suicidal as EVE player base is not going to grow younger (current average is 34, chronologically at least) and thus people with "casual" needs are being essentially quicked out of the game once they exhaust the limited casual-friendly content.


And again, this is indicative of your problematic attitude towards the game. You do everything solo, so no doubt the work required to get anything done is daunting, especially when you run the risk of becoming very dead at the hands of people who most definitely are not playing solo. The solution to this is to stop playing solo, get with a corp, do things in a group. Everything becomes easier that way - mining* less tedious, production and supplying easier, hell, you might even dabble in other types of gameplay you never tried before. Either way, step one is to stop being so insular and find a corp with like minded interests, otherwise you're on the fast track to burnout-and-quit-city

* I know you mentioned mining's huge lack of profitability in your previous post, and it's true though the major fix for that (removing drone alloy drops from Drone Region NPC ships) is already on its way. The fact that this fix took so long to even be recognized was due in large part to CCP's completely wrong focus on Incarna/WiS while the rest of the game burned. You can thank the CSM and the players' revolt for changing that.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Geez, i got to lure in 4 noobs and 2 of them left because they didn't have the time to play EVE endgame, so, why worry getting there?


Honestly, given the introduction they got from you and how much of the game your style makes you simply miss out on, I'm more surprised all 4 of them didn't leave.


Well, it's an issue, yes. I've been playing this ""sandbox"" the wrong way for three years. Silly me. It's a childhood habit, I admit. I loved Lego, and yet I barely would build just what was shown on the picture on the box. I used to improvise a lot and mix blocks from different sets to build even bigger, better stuff

But then maybe EVE is better suit to the kind of people who builds jigsaw puzzles... or the ones that design them for others to fit in as mindless pieces.

Every sandbox has got certain rules. EVE is not an exception, but, it woud be easier if CCP plain removed all PvE, all hisec and everyhing not usable to nullsec, and made very clear from the start that this game it's about nullsec or the door.

Put it on top of the box, very clear, that either you build what's on the picture, or you're playing with the wrong Lego... P
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#145 - 2012-03-06 21:46:56 UTC
legos hurt when i shove them into my wang redesign them please

who are you to tell me i am playing with legos wrong

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#146 - 2012-03-06 22:07:29 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:

As much as I think this person is a terrible poster (and probably a furry) and this is a terrible post (so very terrible), he is absolutely right about AFK cloaking. As long as local works the way it does, AFK cloaking should be part of the game.


You "think:"

There is your mistake.

Cheers,

Pod-Pilot Cloakyfag

E: You, "think?" Bad idea, bru....Baaaaaad ideaUgh


You're absolutely right. Think was the wrong word. I know what a terrible poster you are.


NO, U.

Is that more suited to your ilk, then, mate?


Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-03-06 22:14:01 UTC
we need a guy who will listen to our cry for legos with rounded edges
Taiwanistan
#148 - 2012-03-07 06:30:25 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Well, I've been pretty comfy in this game for 3 years and have spent some 800 euros on it, so no, I don't hate EVE. On the contrary, pretty much EVE hates me for playing solo, casual, PvE and hisec, and for hoping that WiS could provide some extra gameplay.


Given your posts in this thread, I think the last way I'd describe you in this game is "comfy". But really, you're playing a MMORPG with non-consentual PVP as one of its main selling points and upset that you can't avoid all PVP and play solo. Expecting content with WiS is also sort of indicative of this game not being for you, since you undocking and doing literally anything is the first step in creating content not only for yourself, but for others who may (a) work with you or (b) hunt you for sport or profit. If you can't deal with (b) then EVE isn't for you, regardless of how many years you've sunk into it trying to show the opposite

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Also is just amazing how a game can give every skilling facility in the world to casual players but don't provide any actual casual-friendly gameplay... amazing and a bit suicidal as EVE player base is not going to grow younger (current average is 34, chronologically at least) and thus people with "casual" needs are being essentially quicked out of the game once they exhaust the limited casual-friendly content.


And again, this is indicative of your problematic attitude towards the game. You do everything solo, so no doubt the work required to get anything done is daunting, especially when you run the risk of becoming very dead at the hands of people who most definitely are not playing solo. The solution to this is to stop playing solo, get with a corp, do things in a group. Everything becomes easier that way - mining* less tedious, production and supplying easier, hell, you might even dabble in other types of gameplay you never tried before. Either way, step one is to stop being so insular and find a corp with like minded interests, otherwise you're on the fast track to burnout-and-quit-city

* I know you mentioned mining's huge lack of profitability in your previous post, and it's true though the major fix for that (removing drone alloy drops from Drone Region NPC ships) is already on its way. The fact that this fix took so long to even be recognized was due in large part to CCP's completely wrong focus on Incarna/WiS while the rest of the game burned. You can thank the CSM and the players' revolt for changing that.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Geez, i got to lure in 4 noobs and 2 of them left because they didn't have the time to play EVE endgame, so, why worry getting there?


Honestly, given the introduction they got from you and how much of the game your style makes you simply miss out on, I'm more surprised all 4 of them didn't leave.


Well, it's an issue, yes. I've been playing this ""sandbox"" the wrong way for three years. Silly me. It's a childhood habit, I admit. I loved Lego, and yet I barely would build just what was shown on the picture on the box. I used to improvise a lot and mix blocks from different sets to build even bigger, better stuff

But then maybe EVE is better suit to the kind of people who builds jigsaw puzzles... or the ones that design them for others to fit in as mindless pieces.

Every sandbox has got certain rules. EVE is not an exception, but, it woud be easier if CCP plain removed all PvE, all hisec and everyhing not usable to nullsec, and made very clear from the start that this game it's about nullsec or the door.

Put it on top of the box, very clear, that either you build what's on the picture, or you're playing with the wrong Lego... P


tell me how /emoting with a bunch of dudes will help you enjoy eve online the game.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#149 - 2012-03-07 09:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
I would like to let you know how and why you won my vote for a second time - in your campaign thread

I really think you have your work cut out for you and would like to express my deep appreciation for your selfless efforts.
Hile Troye
DXB Rentals
#150 - 2012-03-07 20:22:22 UTC
Treb is not only a commited DNSer but he also work hard for all eve players and iam sending this guide back to the top so others can read it and it doesnt get lost.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#151 - 2012-03-09 02:31:44 UTC
bump

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None ofthe Above
#152 - 2012-03-09 02:42:44 UTC
Don't tell Hans, but one of my more independent minded alts actually voted for Trebor. Shocked

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#153 - 2012-03-09 03:07:11 UTC
Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/

If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.

Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?

Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?

Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed and new errors being introduced daily?

Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!

If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L

Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!

Campaign Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0

If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE

THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN LIFE - ANYTHING WRITTEN BELOW IGNORE
Chunicha
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2012-03-09 03:48:15 UTC
Hey trebor you desperate piece of **** why are you sending me spam mail?
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-03-09 17:11:36 UTC
Chunicha wrote:
Hey trebor you desperate piece of **** why are you sending me spam mail?

Well, for one things, it gets me bumps in this thread. Thanks! Twisted

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Zixie Draco
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#156 - 2012-03-09 17:29:37 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
legos hurt when i shove them into my wang redesign them please

who are you to tell me i am playing with legos wrong



you win forums...nothing can top this. Big smile

CHEERS!!

Would you like a kitten?

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#157 - 2012-03-10 20:17:18 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
Don't tell Hans, but one of my more independent minded alts actually voted for Trebor. Shocked

Ah, so you took the advice in the OP... excellent!

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#158 - 2012-03-11 22:17:13 UTC
As a newbie it's not easy to choose a candidate to vote for.

Sure everyone's great and has done amazing things on the previous CSM (or will on the next). Some even know how to troll, scam, lawyer, drink, insult, revolt or impersonate, and though I do not contest the admirable nature of such qualities, I can't really verify its truthfulness, it's impact on eve or my benefit from it.

I was going to go somewhere with this, but to make a long story short.

I voted for Trebor.

Because anyone who puts time into sending spam mail to newbies has got to be a good guy.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]

Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2012-03-12 10:55:13 UTC
lol! Twisted

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corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#160 - 2012-03-12 13:33:35 UTC  |  Edited by: corebloodbrothers
Trebor, thanks for mentioning me, i apreciate how u gone through categorising most of the candidates. By labelling ,you however tell readers its not worth voting for a newbie. Ofcourse i disagree, but i can see where u are comming from ;)

Any new candidate has to start somewhere, however, any candicate or current member started his first time as a first election. and even IF i wouldnt make it i dont feel votes are wasted, they are a signal too others that do get elected. (got to stay positive)

Reading your candidate breakdown i can only say: "dear eve players : vote for the CSM Noob! "they are eve's future. last year 13 % of eve population voted CSM . so the other 87 % hold the power too make any CSM change possible.
At its best the current CSM holds a portion of that 13 % votes, so a minority in eve.

so again: vote for the newbie too CSM, vote corebloodbrothers, and yes a non bloc candidate;)

check my bio, convoy or mail me, its starts with you voting; )



and trebor, who knows ;) cu laterz ;)