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A Hamrite Journey (formerly: Amarr for the Glory of God)
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Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#121 - 2012-03-05 17:50:38 UTC
heh, nice one
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#122 - 2012-03-05 18:46:56 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

...Some perhaps do not understand the meaning of the insignia that I keep from my battles. They are not trophies from the dead. No, they are reminders of how many are trying to snuff out the fire of God and the need to destroy those who attempt to do so. May God have mercy on their souls.



If you backpedal any faster you'll soon attain escape velocity and fly off into space. Nice try though.


I note that you are a rather highly decorated member of the enemy. How did you get these decorations? Among other things, you killed my friends, comrades, fellow faithful. You received these decorations by rejecting the truth of God and following your pagans ways of destruction and damnation, so don't accuse me of backpedaling. You are a killer of all that I hold dear. Although you are much more skilled than I, if I had the opportunity and could succeed, I would gladly have your tag jingling on my belt. It would remind me of what you are daily trying to destroy and what I am trying to defend. So don't be trite!

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#123 - 2012-03-06 03:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Popular Gallente Holoreel "300" wrote:
Not slaves, no.

Your noobs will be slaves. Your miners, your haulers, your traders will be slaves!

But not you, no.
By noon this day, YOU will be lossmails.

THE THOUSAND SYSTEMS OF THE AMARR EMPIRE DESCEND UPON YOU.

Our ships will BLOT out the sun...

Katrina Oniseki
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#124 - 2012-03-06 11:29:15 UTC
Then we shall fly in the shade?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#125 - 2012-03-06 12:58:09 UTC
And adoning yourself with 40 repubilkan dogtags shows what to whom?

Your God doesn't need to see them because he knows already. So in fact you are merely showing off to other amarrians because your faith in yourself and to your god needs reassurance.

I have met plenty people who love to kill, plunder and ravage. Most of them hide it behind alterior motives. Your alterior motive is called religion.
Mine is profit.
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#126 - 2012-03-06 13:42:00 UTC
What makes you think that's not the Empire's motivation?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#127 - 2012-03-06 13:48:55 UTC
Who says I don't think that?

Atleast I know and express my true motivation. I don't need to hide my greed and bloodlust behind a curtain of religion.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#128 - 2012-03-06 15:16:44 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Who says I don't think that?

Atleast I know and express my true motivation. I don't need to hide my greed and bloodlust behind a curtain of religion.


What a hypocrite! You worship greed and call it true. Greed is your religion, Gandry. Don't deceive yourself by thinking that it isn't. Your motivation is neither true nor pure. If I am motivated by religion and I am, I don't hide it. I believe that what I do pleases God. You believe that what you do pleases yourself. You are a lost fool.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#129 - 2012-03-06 17:04:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Killer Gandry
Excuse me to differ, but isn't hypocracy the hiding a true intention behind a smokescreen of clarifications to justify what you do?

What you do is to your own personal gain. You mask it by proclaiming you do it for your god. So explain to me why your god needs you to wear dogtags of your victims.
The slaves which work for you make your life easier because you can let them do the things you don't want to do. Because you are too lazy for them or you feel yourself above the task.
By then claiming you are guiding the slaves to your god you have yet another smokescreen.

You worship a real poor god if his only means to spread his word is by violence, slavery and brainwashing.
It actually indicates that nobody in their right mind would follow your god.

If your god derives pleasure in you killing people, enslaving them and expanding his influence then I could say I am your god.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#130 - 2012-03-06 17:18:53 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

I note that you are a rather highly decorated member of the enemy. How did you get these decorations? Among other things, you killed my friends, comrades, fellow faithful. You received these decorations by rejecting the truth of God and following your pagans ways of destruction and damnation, so don't accuse me of backpedaling. You are a killer of all that I hold dear. Although you are much more skilled than I, if I had the opportunity and could succeed, I would gladly have your tag jingling on my belt. It would remind me of what you are daily trying to destroy and what I am trying to defend. So don't be trite!


You want to talk about destruction and damnation? Let's start with what the Empire did to my family.

Captain Cresthill, my father died in one of the Empire's mines, from the gunfire of Imperial soldiers, who were trying to disable a malfunctioning mining laser. They didn't care that they were inadvertantly shooting living beings. The injured were simply left to die.

I don't want to 'destroy' the Empire -- I want to save it from itself.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#131 - 2012-03-06 17:41:23 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:

You want to talk about destruction and damnation? Let's start with what the Empire did to my family.

Captain Cresthill, my father died in one of the Empire's mines, from the gunfire of Imperial soldiers, who were trying to disable a malfunctioning mining laser. They didn't care that they were inadvertantly shooting living beings. The injured were simply left to die.

I don't want to 'destroy' the Empire -- I want to save it from itself.



In short, you want revenge and impose your idea's onto them. You have more in common than you wish to admit.
Astera Zandraki
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#132 - 2012-03-06 18:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Astera Zandraki
I'm not sure the 'I'm evil but at least I admit it' argument has much gravitas here or on any other public forum. Mr Cresthill may be utterly misguided but I have no doubt that he absolutely believes he is doing the right thing. You are nothing more than a leech.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#133 - 2012-03-06 18:39:47 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Excuse me to differ, but isn't hypocracy the hiding a true intention behind a smokescreen of clarifications to justify what you do?

What you do is to your own personal gain. You mask it by proclaiming you do it for your god. So explain to me why your god needs you to wear dogtags of your victims.
The slaves which work for you make your life easier because you can let them do the things you don't want to do. Because you are too lazy for them or you feel yourself above the task.
By then claiming you are guiding the slaves to your god you have yet another smokescreen.

You worship a real poor god if his only means to spread his word is by violence, slavery and brainwashing.
It actually indicates that nobody in their right mind would follow your god.

If your god derives pleasure in you killing people, enslaving them and expanding his influence then I could say I am your god.


What do you know about why I do what do? Nothing. My clarifications were for people like you who assume everyone is motivated by the same avarice that you are. Slavery doesn't make life for the Cresthills easier. Following the teachings of Arzad Hamri is a hard life and having slaves is a burden, not a profit. We bear that burden because it is the reclaiming call of God. You wouldn't understand this because you are Godless and in need of reclaiming yourself. You speak out of the assumption that everyone is like you, greedy, self-centered, caring only about yourself. You know nothing of me or my ways. I however, evaluate you on your own admission of self-gain.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#134 - 2012-03-06 18:42:45 UTC
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

I note that you are a rather highly decorated member of the enemy. How did you get these decorations? Among other things, you killed my friends, comrades, fellow faithful. You received these decorations by rejecting the truth of God and following your pagans ways of destruction and damnation, so don't accuse me of backpedaling. You are a killer of all that I hold dear. Although you are much more skilled than I, if I had the opportunity and could succeed, I would gladly have your tag jingling on my belt. It would remind me of what you are daily trying to destroy and what I am trying to defend. So don't be trite!


You want to talk about destruction and damnation? Let's start with what the Empire did to my family.

Captain Cresthill, my father died in one of the Empire's mines, from the gunfire of Imperial soldiers, who were trying to disable a malfunctioning mining laser. They didn't care that they were inadvertantly shooting living beings. The injured were simply left to die.

I don't want to 'destroy' the Empire -- I want to save it from itself.


I am very sorry about your father. That should never have happened and I am sure that it was a tragic exception.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#135 - 2012-03-06 21:11:43 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:

What do you know about why I do what do? Nothing. My clarifications were for people like you who assume everyone is motivated by the same avarice that you are. Slavery doesn't make life for the Cresthills easier. Following the teachings of Arzad Hamri is a hard life and having slaves is a burden, not a profit. We bear that burden because it is the reclaiming call of God. You wouldn't understand this because you are Godless and in need of reclaiming yourself. You speak out of the assumption that everyone is like you, greedy, self-centered, caring only about yourself. You know nothing of me or my ways. I however, evaluate you on your own admission of self-gain.


You force your beliefs onto others under the missconception that they would be needing it. Your empire thrives for a large part on the misery they inflict upon others under a selfrightious proclomation it's for some god.

Show me the slaver or slaveholder who doesn't profit from holding slaves and I will show you an amarrian who isn't a true amarr in your eyes.
Once again, a god who needs to inflict pain, suffering and brainwash onto others isn't much different than I am. So in short I can clearly be your god aswel.
You are a petty man with petty excuses as why you do what you do. Your socalled "selfinflicted burden" is nothing else than having other people benefit from it. If not you then someone else, but surely not the one who's freedom you put into a glass box and tease everyday into submission.

Even under the very faint assumption you are purely into it to serve your god and make no financial or other tangeable gain from it it still srves the sole purpose to feel better about yourself and as such altruism is nothing but a glorified form of selfpleasuring.

There are no holy men or women, only those which derive their pleasures in other forms.

And your church and / or religion would be nowhere without finances so your belief is also build upon Isk, just as my well being is build on Isk.
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#136 - 2012-03-06 21:51:31 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:

Show me the slaver or slaveholder who doesn't profit from holding slaves and I will show you an amarrian who isn't a true amarr in your eyes.


I have encountered ignorance before, but you peg the meter. I can show you many holders who do not profit from holding slaves, whose estates would be far more profitable through mechanization, but instead fulfill the call of God by hold those He loves for their enlightenment and salvation. Are you a historical ignoramus? You must be. True holdership is best exemplified in those who follow the theology and practices of Arzad Hamri the greatest holder and pastor of the Amarrian faith in all of history. You are too hardened by your own selfish greed to acknowledge that anyone can love something of someone more than you love your precious ISK. I pity you.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-03-06 22:32:26 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
quote unquote great empires.


Um... "" great empires?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#138 - 2012-03-07 16:22:16 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
hardened by your own selfish greed to acknowledge that anyone can love something of someone more than you love your precious ISK. I pity you.


I have a couple of questions, Captain Cresthill.

1) Vitoxin is a poison, yes or no?

and

2) Does God consider poisoning someone to be a 'loving' act?

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
Theobar Cresthill
The Arzad Hamri Fellowship
#139 - 2012-03-07 17:09:47 UTC
Since I have received permission from my father and uncles to freely explain and preach the good theology and views of Arzad Hamri, I have felt a freedom. Let the chips fall where God wills. We will stand in the truth of the mercy and love of true reclaiming.

Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
hardened by your own selfish greed to acknowledge that anyone can love something of someone more than you love your precious ISK. I pity you.


I have a couple of questions, Captain Cresthill.

1) Vitoxin is a poison, yes or no?

and

2) Does God consider poisoning someone to be a 'loving' act?


1. Vitoxin is a a vile and wicked poison and it never entered into the mind of God to use such a thing to reclaim the wandering ones He loves. Vitoxin is an invention of the politically and economically motivated minority of Amarrians who stoop to use it. The Hamrite communities of my home planet including the Cresthills have never and will never use such an ungodly thing. Arzad Hamri has taught us the true ways of reclaiming. Those outside the Empire have tried to paint all holders as those with a shot of Votoc ready in hand. Not a drop of it is found on our estate nor on any Hamrite estate.
2. God does not consider poisoning someone with Vitoxin to be a loving act. In my opinion, those who do so are not true Holders, but counterfeits. Arzad Hamri has taught us the true way of holding. We follow in his footsteps.

"The fire in our hearts burns for salvation, redemption, and grace. May the Word of God grant you the courage to save yourself and your people" (The Last Words of Arzad Hamri)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#140 - 2012-03-07 17:33:58 UTC
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
Since I have received permission from my father and uncles to freely explain and preach the good theology and views of Arzad Hamri, I have felt a freedom. Let the chips fall where God wills. We will stand in the truth of the mercy and love of true reclaiming.

Astrid Stjerna wrote:
Theobar Cresthill wrote:
hardened by your own selfish greed to acknowledge that anyone can love something of someone more than you love your precious ISK. I pity you.


I have a couple of questions, Captain Cresthill.

1) Vitoxin is a poison, yes or no?

and

2) Does God consider poisoning someone to be a 'loving' act?


1. Vitoxin is a a vile and wicked poison and it never entered into the mind of God to use such a thing to reclaim the wandering ones He loves. Vitoxin is an invention of the politically and economically motivated minority of Amarrians who stoop to use it. The Hamrite communities of my home planet including the Cresthills have never and will never use such an ungodly thing. Arzad Hamri has taught us the true ways of reclaiming. Those outside the Empire have tried to paint all holders as those with a shot of Votoc ready in hand. Not a drop of it is found on our estate nor on any Hamrite estate.
2. God does not consider poisoning someone with Vitoxin to be a loving act. In my opinion, those who do so are not true Holders, but counterfeits. Arzad Hamri has taught us the true way of holding. We follow in his footsteps.


At this point, your only real option is to look outside your own estates to see what the Empire is doing. Relying on the 'No True Amarrian' fallacy will get you no where.