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Warning Forums are going to Explode. New Dev Blog on Skill Training and Ship Balance.

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Alara IonStorm
#1 - 2012-03-06 18:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Details can be found here.

TL:DR CCP is planing to turn the Dessie and BC Skill into 4 Separate Skills, make Battleships take longer to train for and Slice 30 Days off of Capital Ship Training. CCP also killing the Tier system and doing some general re-balance work.

CCP is considering Skill reimbursement options. They have confirmed that their will be reimbursement.

Edit: Best to say new plans are not set in stone. CCP is looking for feedback in their Comment Thread where it can be best received.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77673&find=unread

Edit 2: This was just posted.

CCP Soundwave wrote:
No one is saying you have to retrain them. Our principle for the reimbursement here will be "if you could fly it yesterday, you can still fly it today". Ytterbium will post the further details of this once it's written up.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2012-03-06 18:23:20 UTC
The dumbing-down of EVE marches on.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#3 - 2012-03-06 18:24:00 UTC
Broken link or in before locked for rumors?

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-03-06 18:25:19 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Broken link or in before locked for rumors?

Silly Me it is Fixed.
Cyrus Deacon
Darkstar Interstellar Demolitions Conglomerate
#5 - 2012-03-06 18:25:53 UTC
Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#6 - 2012-03-06 18:29:24 UTC
What the **** CCP.

Has the last expansion left you down on your ****** quota?
Alara IonStorm
#7 - 2012-03-06 18:29:51 UTC
Cyrus Deacon wrote:

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS

The stated idea behind it is the next Ship Tree is trainable at Lvl 4. That includes needing New Racial BC IV for Racial BS one.
Hanakar
NIGARU PBR
#8 - 2012-03-06 18:30:20 UTC
If this goes live, they just need to reset everyone's skill points and let us decide how to respend it.
SpaceSquirrels
#9 - 2012-03-06 18:34:19 UTC
Yeah capitals should be BS 5...but perhaps they're trying to make it easier to train more than one line..

But getting ride of the other crap for t2's is awesome because it doesnt make much sense, and getting rid of tiers is amazing.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#10 - 2012-03-06 18:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Heimdallofasgard
Like they said in the dev blog... it's open for discussion

To be honest I don't think capitals should be made easier to train for, but I DO like that they're opening up this kind of dialogue, it will make things very interesting.

There's way too many under utilised ships in game, this will shake things up and make things interesting, they're also letting us know well in advance of what they're planning so discussions can be had and we can say what we do and do not like about it.

Bad Points: Skill removal + speeding up training times for particular ships

Good Points: Reclassification of ships + Effort to try and make redundant ships useful again.

Edit: CCP you might want to fix the images in that blog btw, they've been resized but not compressed so they're taking AGES to render and scrolling from top to bottom just took me about a minute (on Chrome at least)
Wookie 1
#11 - 2012-03-06 18:38:07 UTC
Main concern is those of us with the V's in the unsplit ship skills getting all of the new racials at V, otherwise its just taking training time from people.
Alara IonStorm
#12 - 2012-03-06 18:38:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Heimdallofasgard wrote:

Good Points: Reclassification of ships + Effort to try and make redundant ships useful again.

This alone to me is worth taking a few hits TBH. I personally will wait for details.
Wookie 1 wrote:
Main concern is those of us with the V's in the unsplit ship skills getting all of the new racials at V, otherwise its just taking training time from people.

I don't mind going down to 4 separate BC IV's and dumping Dessie IV into Minmatar but I don't fly Command Ships or Dictors which is a problem.

CCP Soundwave did say they may be handing out free SP to help cover loses though.
Lady Killjoy
Killjoy's private bang
#13 - 2012-03-06 18:38:39 UTC
Don't keep dumbing down my EvE...
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#14 - 2012-03-06 18:40:06 UTC
Why the whine?

That proposal makes a lot of sense.

.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#15 - 2012-03-06 18:40:10 UTC
WOOT!!

Some serious forum war about to break out. They'll be laughing all the way to bar over in CCP headquarters tonight.

Also: In before 50 threads on this blog.

Mr Epeen Cool
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#16 - 2012-03-06 18:41:23 UTC
This Blog also had a PVP tone to it

i.e: no mention of ships being classified into "Mission Runners" :P
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#17 - 2012-03-06 18:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Roll Sizzle Beef
Cyrus Deacon wrote:
Jesus christ... Is this the prelude to "press a button and something awesome should happen" ?

Decreasing capital train time is the stupidest ******* idea since WiS


Jumping into the ship 30 days early still does not take into account the proper skills to fly it AND the new ship line mastery skills they are planning on adding.

Nice twitch rage though.

Also like how making sense equals dumbing EVE down.
All ships serving in their role rather than the highest teir or a specific racial hull?! BLASPHEMY!
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#18 - 2012-03-06 18:41:59 UTC
What alara FAILED AT WAS, the part of the dev blog that flat out said,

Nothing is set in stone, these are just some ideas of what we want to do, but player feedback is needed to help adjust the system.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
Indalecia
#19 - 2012-03-06 18:44:49 UTC
Looks good to me, in my opinion (except the cap ships on which I have no opinion).

This is not dumbing down the game, this is just putting more continuity and consistency to a system that got more and more heterogeneous patch after patch. Also, getting rid of the tier system is a step in the good direction.

Wait & see.

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Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2012-03-06 18:44:55 UTC
Obsidian Hawk wrote:
What alara FAILED AT WAS, the part of the dev blog that flat out said,

Nothing is set in stone, these are just some ideas of what we want to do, but player feedback is needed to help adjust the system.

I did not fail at anything. They are making plans to do this. Whether they carry them out is always based on feedback.

Like it or not people will treat it like it is set in stone and that is how the discussion will take place until new info arrives.
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