Assembly Hall

Names and reputations should always stay with characters sold on bazaar. They cannot be allowed to change their name if the toon is bought. Similarly if you change your name you can never sell your toon.

Reputation isn't rooted in you, the player. It's invested in the toon that earned the bad rep. If toon XXX became known as a notorious thief and pirate, this does not mean that the same player can't play another care bear toon. This is the basic tenant of any RPG. BUT, the notorious pirate should be penalized, for the rest of the CHARACTERs life, for his sins. In other words, the sins are born by the toon not the player.. ( in contrast to floppy's post ) This is how legal entities work. A company can have bad debt or be legally sued, but that doesn't mean that the CEO is personally liable.

As long as the sins of the toon are branded to the toon forever in implementation, I may support this feature.

On the topic of having a permanent number associated with a character -- I can see the appeal, one could even call it a Pilot’s Cerification Number for the role playing community (and even change “born on” to “licensed on”). I dunno about some of those nefarious aspects listed, but for now I’ll add it to the 'Debated Feature' list

I apologize if this sounds rude, but assuming you are aware that the current valid reasons to have one's name corrected by a petition and GM intervention is for inappropriate content and/or capitalization… then you’re supporting a restricted form of name change where, essentially, only if they add a third word, fix a typo, or add a punctuation it’s ok?

I has a better Idea, why not let CCP Give EVERY ACTIVELY PAYING PLAYER only 1 Chance to rename their Characters.
(some Exaggeration intended), TBH I'd Like to change my name but at the same don't want to. For that same reason that I don't want to change it should remain in what the Original Statement about making a character name should be PERMANENT. if you bought your characters or made a change in decision... I say to you all make a new character with that name.

Paulize, so you agree with me in principle yet you still feel the need to reiterate and pontificate. I'm beginning to think you care more about 'winning' in this forum than the actual proposal here.

To answer your single point in your response worth answering: a bad or good rep staying with the toon affecting the buyer of the toon is EXACTLY what we want. Remember you too think character transfers are bad. ( am I'm not one to repeat arguments already stated for the sake of it ) Buyers need to do research on the toon they are about to buy and make a choice on it. No doubt the rep will affect the price.

And please. You know full well what I mean when I used the term 'sins' and we both know full well it could go both ways. Please don't patronize me nor the intelligent readers of this forum buy harping on semantics. We are all adults here. :) well most of us anyway. ( people who spell like a fonics robot I'm looking at you )

That is from the rules in the Character Bazaar forum. Your 'sins' are kept even if you change your name. That is what negative sec status is for, kill rights, and with the proper implementation of this feature you can find out if the character was a thief.

I think this would add to the flavor of tracking down a thief, they want to change their name to avoid being tracked down. It seems like it is pretty easy do to IRL, so why not in Eve? Another possible feature, rather than an aka tab why not require an agent lookup that can say this character has gone by these names in the past? Adds flavor and RP value.

Yeah -- I am arguing the feasibility of Name Change -- I agree that your argument may increase the feasibility but…

‘Winning’? You've ignored "I wouldn't mind adding another 'and/or' to that" just to have another round

‘Reiterate’? Had you just read the op properly I wouldn’t have had to write it again

‘Pontificating’? You were using "Sins" for its heavy connotation -- yet you so beautifully enacted the terms Greek etymology that I couldn't resist pointing out that you had “missed” half of your argument just to use the term.

If you're going to argue about patronizing and semantics towards the reader then abandon your rhetoric

The single point in my response worth answering was "'Sins' are already 'branded' on the character via the AKA Feature."

Greek what? Am I talking to a person or a Wikipedia bot?
Yes it was and yes I knew that. And yes you knew that I already knew that too ( or did you forget that I have been part of this thread from the beginning? )
You will kindly note that I wasn't quoting any of your posts. But your ego made you think I was arguing against you.
I was in fact responding to some other posters on this discussion that were advocating that sins are to stick with the player. That was the whole point of my post. Only your ego made you think that my post was a challenge to your position so you start laying on your rhetorical arguments line. Really, it detracts from your credbility. Stick to the topic at hand. I'm actually agreeing with you so long as the fundamental tenant of sins will never be forgiven are upheld.

I don't mind name changes, though I agree that there would be pros and cons in the absence of name history depending on how much control players wish they could have.

I think that having name changes should be possible, and that name change history should be optional during the name change process. After all, not everyone is running away from other people/harassment/their pasts.

Currently, I imagine that criminally inclined players can have many untainted accounts, plus have the option to purchase untainted yet well-trained characters, thereby having ways to do their worst under fresh personas. If this is what goes on, playing under an untraceable, new identity is already a part of Eve.

The idea of putting name changes on a very long timer is okay.

With the way Eve works, I don't think there is a way to stop players who want to be underhanded. This is the universe of celebrity justice with no jails. As a fairly new player, I try to figure things out and have fun, and don't truly trust anyone since they all might turn into sharks. It's quite an unusual experience.The fact that criminal type players would probably take to name changes like ducks to water can either be seen as increasing the amount of challenge in the game, or as a nightmare depending on one's opinion.

In Eve Online, safety is a myth. In other MMOs I could feel secure, but not in this one. Eve Online is meant to be hazardous, so I don't support making it too warm and fuzzy. I came because of Incarna adverts, and because it's dangerous here.

Figuring out past character history would make more sense in my opinion, if it was because of applying a new "private investigation" skillset, and if it was pricey to do. That would make more sense, rather than making character history an easybutton.

Cheers,

Sapph

I totally stopped reading this a few lines in, but I think we agree or something. Yay. Done.