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Why is the Saturn V rocket faster than any ship in Eve?

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Neechi HollanderDanny
Dutch Legions
Solyaris Chtonium
#41 - 2012-03-06 14:17:56 UTC
Would be easier to change current speed designations from 1.000 m/s to 1.000 km/s, while nothing functionally happens.
Chatha Gathii
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-03-06 14:22:32 UTC
The Saturn V lacks agility and is a ***** to fit. (All the launcher points are on the first stage, and don't get me started on the lack of CPU.)

Trust me, you wouldn't want to fly one.

Complete fail, Werner von Braun.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-03-06 14:54:04 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
On the other side of the EVE gate space is made of some weird liquid. Hard to get a good head of steam going when you have that to deal with.


Now that explains why Wallente is slow as hell !

I'm finally enjoying my rusty submarines Lol
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-06 14:54:28 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
The Saturn V at max speed goes 25,000 mph. That is about 11176m/s. Excluding the use of a warp drive, not one of our can go faster than that. Why?

ive seen cap stable fleet stabbers go faster

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Hippie en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-06 15:43:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hippie en Thielles
Karadion wrote:
Because this is a space game.



This is NOT a space game.

It is a submarine game. But that saturn rocket in the water and see how fast it goes.

{in all seriousness, the physics of this game mimics submarines, not spaceships. Be thankful for this}
Terazul
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-03-06 16:20:48 UTC
Pretty much what the CCP guy said.

Alternatively, consider that the ships in EVE don't actually burn any fuel to move around; this means they're not using conventional thrusters to move around. In my view, they're actually moving the universe around them, hence the ship slowing down when it is not actively attempting to move.
McRoll
Extraction and Exploration Ltd.
#47 - 2012-03-06 16:28:26 UTC
If Eve ships move through fluid, then why do Caldaris build something like a Moa, which besides being totally unaesthetic, couldn't move through anything denser than vacuum due to its shape?

I want more visually pleasant, aerodynamic shaped ships like Firetails which could fly through atmosphere even judging by look and shape.
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-03-06 16:31:35 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game.



imagine the dynamic that would bring....

If your POS tower was in a different place each time


Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles... Cool

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-03-06 16:34:19 UTC
Nobody remembers the 16+km/s phoons anymore...


Or for that matter, the double/triple MWD scorpions.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#50 - 2012-03-06 17:35:11 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game.



imagine the dynamic that would bring....

If your POS tower was in a different place each time


Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles... Cool


You'd need private beacons instead of bookmarks. Anything orbiting a planet, and thus a moon, would.

Do gates orbit planets or are they stationary?

Imagine the dynamic visuals this would create...
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#51 - 2012-03-06 20:54:04 UTC
McRoll wrote:
If Eve ships move through fluid, then why do Caldaris build something like a Moa, which besides being totally unaesthetic, couldn't move through anything denser than vacuum due to its shape?

I want more visually pleasant, aerodynamic shaped ships like Firetails which could fly through atmosphere even judging by look and shape.

The fluid that they move through isn't physical. Its an interaction with the warp drive. All the drag on our ships is caused by the existence of our warp drives.

So, the shape of the ship maters not.



And the Firetail still couldn't fly through an oxy atmosphere... it would just combust.Sad
Skorpynekomimi
#52 - 2012-03-06 21:01:15 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
My Neutral Toon wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Just realized, on a solar level, sitting in my chair right now I go faster than any ship in EVE (not warping). Since nothing orbits the stars in game.



imagine the dynamic that would bring....

If your POS tower was in a different place each time


Just imagine the impacts for catch bubbles... Cool


You'd need private beacons instead of bookmarks. Anything orbiting a planet, and thus a moon, would.

Do gates orbit planets or are they stationary?

Imagine the dynamic visuals this would create...


In my mind, bookmarks ARE basically coordinates for personal beacons. And I figure computers are advanced enough in EVE to account for celestial movements in bookmarks.

As for EVE ships flying through atmosphere... Show info on tritanium sometime, then look at the blueprint for a given ship. Tritanium is pyrophoric.

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GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#53 - 2012-03-06 21:04:03 UTC
Eve ships fly in some bizarre liquid, let's call it space gravy. And this space gravy has bits of sausage (asteroids) in it that you can mine for space cash. Don't ask questions.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#54 - 2012-03-06 22:19:51 UTC
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
Eve ships fly in some bizarre liquid, let's call it space gravy. And this space gravy has bits of sausage (asteroids) in it that you can mine for space cash. Don't ask questions.


That would explain the nebula in Domain, it is a sunny-side-up egg nebula.

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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#55 - 2012-03-06 22:32:27 UTC
Im Super Gay wrote:
Saturn V rockets don't have armor, shield generators, a warp drive or weapons to weigh it down.

Pure unadulterated horseflop. The Saturn V, like all manned spacecraft of yesterday and today, was armed to the teeth against the perceived threat of hostile extraterrestrial entities. I believe in this conspiracy with gusto. Gusto! Ever since I made it up five seconds ago.

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Rei Seiji
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-03-06 22:40:28 UTC
The Saturn V flies through space faster because it's more aerodynamic. Eve Ships, meanwhile, cause way too much drag with all of their bumps and turrets and lights. Which is also the explanation why Minmatar ships are the slowest ships in the galaxy. (Everyone else just goes slower than them because they're too busy laughing at those duct taped rusted metal plates they call ships.)

Also the Saturn V had stripes. Not a lot of stripes, but still, it's scientifically proven that stripes make your ships go faster.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#57 - 2012-03-06 22:59:30 UTC
What Ive been using as an explanation for our ship speed and movement:

Our ships are not rocket ships. The engine exhaust vents you see just the discharge products from the on board power generators and no more propels your ship than the exhaust on a car propels the car. What does happen is the power produced by those generators goes to a gravity drive that moves your ship relative to the nearest dominant gravitating mass, be it a station, moon, planet or star. The design of your ship and its gravity drive limits how fast you can move relative to that nearby mass.

Now, if you want stations, moons and planets to move in their orbits, there is a way.

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Dock Workers
#58 - 2012-03-07 00:23:29 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
This is a vid game
Its not reality
Caught on a rant slide
No excuse for reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see
I'm just a pod boy
I extrude apathy
Because its easy isk don't you know?
Play balance, let it go
Any speed the ship goes doesn't really matter to me
to me

Arua, got killed again
They put a blaster 'gainst my head
Pulled their trigger now I'm dead
Arua, life had just begun
But now I am over twenty jumps away.
Arua, oo oo oo ooo
Didn't mean to pop and fry
I'd better not get podded again tomorrow
Implants gone, carry on, now doesn't even matter

Too late, my armors gone
Getting bumped I can't align
Cap is gone I'm out of time
Goodbye everybody
Its time to clone
Gotta leave this all behind and face the truth
Arua, oo oo oo oooo
I don't want to die
I sometimes wish I'd never been cloned at all...

(you get the idea)



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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#59 - 2012-03-07 01:05:22 UTC
Rei Seiji wrote:
The Saturn V flies through space faster because it's more aerodynamic.


They're aerodynamic in a vacuum?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#60 - 2012-03-07 02:15:58 UTC
The Saturn V is "all engine", EvE ships are not.


The Saturn series, like the others, had to escape gravity too, and hence the need to be "all engine". The same is said for the space shuttle.

From the appearance of things, anti-gravity exists in this game, and hence no need for ships to have multi-stage launch systems needing enough thrust to break gravity.

I am sure if we begged enough we could get an "all engine" ship that can go really fast, and do nothing else. It would be good only for bumping Titans.


(why anyone would need to, who knows?)


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