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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#1 - 2012-03-06 09:28:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
I propose that the Leadership of The Goonswarm Federation be detained on charges of war crimes comparable in scale to that of Sansha Kuvakei against the Gallente Federation.

Miners in Gallente sovereign space are a solid and highly valued constituent of our society. Should the Goonswarm directorate be found guilty, in court or in absence, of ordering the interdiction and destruction of assets furthering the freedoms of the Gallente peoples, we ask that Faction standings be adjusted sanctions be imposed to reflect the Gallente peoples disapproval until such a time as damages equal to the value of destroyed vessels are paid to the office of the President via the devout and respected mining advocate; Chribba.

Gallente law is hazy at best when dealing with the rights and restrictions of capsualeers.
I call upon the vocal and enthusiastic support of Gallente Loyalists Capsualeers everywhere to support this action and make right the wrong done to our people.

[ I’m just playing with you guys. The point is this; in a sandbox - if you throw sand - don’t be surprised if you get some in your own eyes. In a role-playing game - if that is what this is - your actions should have consequences beyond game mechs in fairness arbitrated by game masters. ]

EDIT: Further much needed explanation

EDIT: nerfed the penalising faction standings language and replaced it with the more nebulous term sanctions. see final thoughts.
Kaylana Kavees
StarFire Industrialist Exchange
#2 - 2012-03-06 12:32:50 UTC
I think this would cause a problem for how some people choose to play the game. Some players like the freedom of being able to play how ever they want and not worry about such things, only having to worry what the corporation of the person they attacked would do next. if this sort of system was enacted it would change how the game is played on many different levels. Instead of people dueling it out in space over a contested action there would be court cases and sanctions that would hamper some players style of playing.

The young never do as they are told, The old never do as they say.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#3 - 2012-03-06 13:17:46 UTC
Kaylana Kavees wrote:
I think this would cause a problem for how some people choose to play the game.


I would hope so. Somethingawful has happened to how I'd like to play the game.

Kaylana Kavees wrote:

if this sort of system was enacted it would change how the game is played on many different levels.


yes and no, the game is already being played at this many levels and more. Check out how all the RP candidets have been knobbled in the CSM.

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Instead of people dueling it out in space over a contested action there would be court cases and sanctions that would hamper some players style of playing.[/quote]

Yeah, it's called being held accountable for your actions and being true to game lore.

There is nothing wrong with what goons have done. There is nothing wrong with what i'm proposing. Pirates ask for ransoms all the time. Getting this proposal enforced without a shot being fired is how I'd like to play - but somehow don't think that is going to happen.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2012-03-06 13:18:36 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:

I propose that the Leadership of The Goonswarm Federation be detained on charges of war crimes comparable in scale to that of Sansha Kuvakei against the Gallente Federation.

Miners in Gallente sovereign space are a solid and highly valued constituent of our society. Should the Goonswarm directorate be found guilty, in court or in absence, of ordering the interdiction and destruction of assets furthering the freedoms of the Gallente peoples, we ask that Faction standings be adjusted to reflect the Gallente peoples disapproval until such a time as damages equal to the value of destroyed vessels are paid to the office of the President via the devout and respected mining advocate; Chribba.

Gallente law is hazy at best when dealing with the rights and restrictions of capsualeers.
I call upon the vocal and enthusiastic support of Gallente Loyalists Capsualeers everywhere to support this action and make right the wrong done to our people.

(( I’m just playing with you guys. The point is this; in a sandbox - if you throw sand - don’t be surprised if you get some in your own eyes. In a role-playing game - if that is what this is - your actions should have consequences beyond game mechs in fairness arbitrated by game masters. ))

You mean you trolling roleplayers Blink

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#5 - 2012-03-06 13:41:51 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

You mean you trolling roleplayers Blink


Maybe. no-one is compelled to join me in my lunacy.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#6 - 2012-03-06 15:13:01 UTC
so, get a fleet together ... and go shoot them?

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-06 15:16:17 UTC
This doesn't belong here....stop wasting our time....you can go RP your #### in the RP forum where everyone else does. That or Jita Park...

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#8 - 2012-03-06 16:28:05 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
This doesn't belong here....stop wasting our time....you can go RP your #### in the RP forum where everyone else does. That or Jita Park...



Thank you friend for illustrating my point. I wish you equal sucess in all of your future relationships.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-03-06 16:36:28 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
In a role-playing game - if that is what this is


Here's your issue. It isn't really a RPG. It's a MMO space sandbox. There are a tiny tiny minority of players who do roleplay, but 99.99999% of players aren't roleplaying on here, they're just having fun. Forcing people to role play just disrupts the sandbox.

tl;dr: No
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#10 - 2012-03-06 16:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
mxzf wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:
In a role-playing game - if that is what this is


Here's your issue. It isn't really a RPG. It's a MMO space sandbox. There are a tiny tiny minority of players who do roleplay, but 99.99999% of players aren't roleplaying on here, they're just having fun. Forcing people to role play just disrupts the sandbox.

tl;dr: No


I agree. No one should be forced. No-one likes RP nazi's
Here is a opportunity for a select group of people to respond to a situation of their own making.
How it plays out is all part of the sand box and will define the EVE universe for all time. Isn't that why we are all here?
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-06 18:03:14 UTC
You start this "proposal" as a hate post against goonswarm....then digress to role playing shenanigans.

Whose fooling who here?

Please...go away troll...shoo fly shoo.

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#12 - 2012-03-06 18:35:59 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
You start this "proposal" as a hate post against goonswarm....then digress to role playing shenanigans.

Whose fooling who here?

Please...go away troll...shoo fly shoo.


you are guest in my thread, the door is that way, -->

but yeas lets save everyone some time and outline the ways this could go;

1) my overtures of role-play are ignored by the intended parties and I look like a fool.
the game is demonstrably shown to not be for role-players and we all shoo away to find other fantasy castles and damp bridges to inhabit.

2) Goonswarm leadership pays up, I win a victory for RP and the goons rip each other apart in paroxysms of self loathing.

3) somewhere in-between a dialogue opens up, lines are drawn - public statements are made, pressure groups come into play. The world changes to the thrill of all involved. We all live happily ever after in a world of conflict and pain.


I choose 3, I'm guessing you choose 1
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#13 - 2012-03-06 19:19:19 UTC
hold on, i've been floored by a sudden attack of apathy.
I hope you enjoyed the show.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-06 19:46:33 UTC
In that case....take your goonswarm crybaby nooblet thread to COAD....because your obviuosly lost.

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#15 - 2012-03-06 19:48:54 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
In that case....take your goonswarm crybaby nooblet thread to COAD....because your obviuosly lost.


aw mate, you should have called it a win and left it at that.
now i have to hand your ass to you again.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-06 19:59:26 UTC
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
In that case....take your goonswarm crybaby nooblet thread to COAD....because your obviuosly lost.


aw mate, you should have called it a win and left it at that.
now i have to hand your ass to you again.



This is a place to discuss ideas and propose features for the game...not a place to post cry baby threads over an alliance you refuse to face yourself.

Like the previous gent said...take a fleet up to goonswarm space and shoot a few of them yourself.

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Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#17 - 2012-03-06 20:15:44 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
In that case....take your goonswarm crybaby nooblet thread to COAD....because your obviuosly lost.


aw mate, you should have called it a win and left it at that.
now i have to hand your ass to you again.



This is a place to discuss ideas and propose features for the game...not a place to post cry baby threads over an alliance you refuse to face yourself.

Like the previous gent said...take a fleet up to goonswarm space and shoot a few of them yourself.
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#18 - 2012-03-06 20:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Snowflake Tem
Drake Draconis wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:
[quote=Drake Draconis]In that case....take your goonswarm crybaby nooblet thread to COAD....because your obviuosly lost.


This is a place to discuss ideas and propose features for the game...not a place to post cry baby threads over an alliance you refuse to face yourself.


you just can't be that dim

i am promoting a feature that anyone else would assume is inherent

how is this not facing them myself? I've got no reason enter their sov space solo. your suggestion is the hight of stupidity and deserves ridicule. I'm fostering a a reason for conflict and interaction that can easily be adopted, or not.

seems to me you are doing most of the crying here my friend. shall I warm a bottle of milk for you and find a quiet room for us to discuss our differences?
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-06 20:28:52 UTC
what is even going on here am i being space subpoenaed now
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-03-06 20:29:12 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Snowflake Tem wrote:
In a role-playing game - if that is what this is


Here's your issue. It isn't really a RPG. It's a MMO space sandbox. There are a tiny tiny minority of players who do roleplay, but 99.99999% of players aren't roleplaying on here, they're just having fun. Forcing people to role play just disrupts the sandbox.

tl;dr: No


With all due respect I have to disagree here. Whilst most of us dont go around talking RP style, with 'FOR THE EMPRESS/FEDERATION/ISK/FALCON!' when we fly into battle we are all actually role playing here whether you realise it or not.

Neither you nor I am actually spaceship captains, I am not a ceo of a mighty warfaring corp of killers. Im a guy sat at a desk PLAYING as one. Therefore to at least a small degree I am playing a role, therefore am roleplaying.

So, there it is folks, technically we are all roleplaying to some degree, the only variable is how deeply you roleplay. Most of us its just barely for sure, but still...

Take for example all the hard men on the forums, they are almost all going to not be hard men in real life, I bet Drake Draconis is a mild mannered guy who wouldnt argue face to face, same as most people here, so.. they are roleplaying on the forum, behind the anonymity of the internet. Again roleplaying, by definition being someone you arnt in real life.


Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
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