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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-06 00:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Chili Palmer
my question is related to finding a suitable corp and how accurate the corp recruitment posts are. Do you think the posts in the corp recruitment forums are very accurate or do you think they a full of fancy mission statements to lure members in?
on joining several corp public channels today not one channel asked the question "hey what you want?" i belive alot of the statements made are meant to impress noobs like myself.
don't get me wrong a few will be genuine and mean what they say, i belive though the majority are cut and pasted to look good.
what are the things the draw you to a corp or steer you away from a corp, would be very interested to know.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2012-03-06 00:25:45 UTC
Did you make yourself known when joining said corp channels?

Or did you join silently and expect a welcoming committee? lol

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Mr Chili Palmer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-06 00:34:12 UTC
i spoke, but i think you have missed the point of the question.

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gfldex
#4 - 2012-03-06 00:45:42 UTC
There are corps that do not need any recruitment advertising. Those who do will lie. Never miss a look at their killboard. Most corps that recruit have no activity to speak of and try to solve that problem with recruitment.

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Grikath
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-06 01:42:38 UTC
Recruitment is an art, not a science.

Dunno about lying in recruitment ads, but given the amount of Spais that *will* try to get in at a ratio that far outstrips true newbies, those ads will be rather general in nature.

Add to that, that while EVE has a lot of Things To Do, these things fall into general categories in which a corp (hopefully) specialises.

Between a general description of corp activities, a global indication of main activity, and a rather universal wishlist of traits regarding the prospective member, you tend to end up with a rather uniform template for your recruitment ad.

I have never seen recruitment ads as more than a "we're here. poke us if you want to know more." general flag.

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Liam Mirren
#6 - 2012-03-06 01:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Most people on this planet are clueless fools thus a majority of eve players will be morons, which in turn means that most corps will be crap. Just because someone appointed himself CEO doesn't mean he's good at leading or understands how things work. Any corp not having a genuine interest in your own personal goals, ideas and capabilities should be avoided. Sometimes because they just want bodies in corp, sometimes because they just want to scam you with 10% tax but mostly because they're ****.

Keep at it, keep trying and don't sell yourself short. There's good corps out there but they can be hard to find.

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OfBalance
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-06 04:48:15 UTC
gfldex wrote:
There are corps that do not need any recruitment advertising. Those who do will lie. Never miss a look at their killboard. Most corps that recruit have no activity to speak of and try to solve that problem with recruitment.


This. Save yourself some brain-cells and skip any and all spiel paragraphs in a potential recruitment post. The meat and potatoes are the simple stuff:
-Their active timzone, it should match your own.
-Their killboard, lets you know if they actually do any of the things they claim.

You can be assured that any recruiter worth his salt is going to be background checking you. Your job is exactly the same in reverse. Look at dotlan, various killboards, past forum activity, google them, and you should get a better idea of what exactly you're signing on for. If you are completely fooled by a recruitment scheme it's generally your own fault. The vast majority of illicit recruitment methods are painfully easy to see through or are well documented on the forums ie. the corp is known for being terrible, a newbie-mill, or simple recruitment scammers (amusingly enough people still fall for the latter from some of our most infamous groups).
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#8 - 2012-03-06 07:35:53 UTC
Some recruitment posts are made up with many lies sadly. This is why you have to be extremely careful before joining a corp and take your time and do some research on said corp.

Public channels is a great way to do this but be warned that most corporations that have public channels have members that either dont stay in it due to already have way to many channels open,turn blink off until they are less busy,or simply dont pay attention to public chats because they are distracted in corp chats and similar.

If you find a corp you want to look into hang around in their channel for atleast a few days,both during the weekend and during the weekday. That way you will get a better idea of when they are active,or if they actually have people that play during the weekday. But rule of thumb (think thats what you call it on english),treat every recruiter as a telemarketer. Their job is to sell the corp to you. Some will directly lie,some will be brutually honest (very few of these) but most will try to just...make the truth sound a bit nicer then it actually is. As an example.

Q; What is your corporations timezones?
A; We have members in all timezones.

Nice and easy answear but should be followed up by something like this.

Q; Ok how many members would you say you have online during the AU timezone?
A; Errr...2 or 3.... That is a very rough timezone so its hard to recruit people.

As you can see,the recruiter did not tell you a direct lie,they do have players in all timezones,even those odd hours that IS indeed hard to find members to cover,but the number isent really that impressive,and you shouldent (relisticly) expect to find much going on with 2 or 3 people on a regular basis Lol

But again,be patient,do your research. Talk to different members instead of just the recruiter(s) or the corp,try and get some of their history and see how they handled them selfes in the past (this is really only valid for older corps,not the week old corporations you find out there).

Also if you are making your own adverstiment,look for the replies that are not the opvius copy paste replies. This will help you find recruiters that are a bit more picky on who they recruit and bothers to take the time to be a bit more personal in the hopes that you will take the time to read their recruitment threads.

Good luck Smile

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-06 10:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Above posts are completely true.

As a recruiter for a while I will always be honost to people who want to join, mainly cause once they joined they will find out you lied, they will leave and leave on bad terms. I rather tell the truth and have a bit less recruits due to that over having to lie to people to get more people in the corp. This also means you actually get the people in the corp that do like the same stuff the corp is doing (for example, why would a PvP player join a mining corp that told him they do PvP ops too, they might but it will be rare, so the PvP pilot will be very bored in corp very quickly as he can't do what he thought he will be doing).

What I would like to add is that recruitment is a two way interaction.

You are looking for a good corp. At the same time the corp is looking for more members. So besides the obvious what do you have to offer for the corp you have to ask yourself, what can this corp offer me that makes me want to join them.

Most new players think that recruitment is a one way thing, that they have to do stuff for a corp. This is not true, there are so many corps you can choose from that the corp also has to offer you things. This can be anything from just a bunch of friends to fly with, advice on things you aren't familiar with, ship replacement program, providing of ships/modules/skillbooks, or what every you like to see from a corp.

Also as stated above, many recruiters that don't respond to chat in their public channel could be busy with other stuff. This could be that they are already talking to others in private conversations, have some chat in corp/alliance channel they are keeping up to, are busy with flying spaceships that require their attention (When I'm doing PvP stuff, I actually minimize the public channels I have open and don't look at them until the PvP ops is done). Beside ingame stuff they could be busy with stuff for instance on voice comms (like corp or alliance meetings, which can take a lot of dedication if they are serious) or they could be plain AFK for the moment. Best advice, stick around the channel and try multiple times at different times / days.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#10 - 2012-03-06 13:16:52 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
The vast majority of illicit recruitment methods are painfully easy to see through or are well documented on the forums ie. the corp is known for being terrible, a newbie-mill, or simple recruitment scammers goons


fixed that for you Cool

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-03-08 03:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
I know for a fact that many of the recruitment ads, both ingame and on the forums, are complete BS. However I don't believe they're molded and intended to impress anyone. The problem is much more basic than that.

A lot of these crap corps advertise that they do a little of everything in a vain attempt to appeal to everyone. Unless they're a large corp/alliance, this never pans out. Here's a generic albeit a very common corp recruitment ad:
Quote:

Corp XYZ is recruiting! We offer:
*Mission Running
*Mining
*Ship Reimbursement Program
*Incursions
*WH Exploration
*Lowsec PvP
*Nullsec PvP
Old and new players welcome. No SP requirement.
US/EU/AU Time Zones.

You've probably seen dozens if not hundreds of recruitment ads that look suspiciously similar to this one. That's because the CEO of that new corp hasn't got a clue how corps and alliances work in this game. He or she most likely came from another MMO that had a guild system with zero depth to it.

It's hard for guild masters from other MMOs to comprehend the complexity that comes with EvE corporations. They falsely believe that a guild is a guild, regardless of which MMO it is or what lingo they use to call a guild. In other MMOs, one simply needs to pay for a guild name, guild banner or tabbard, and voila! A guild is born, just as valid as any other guild from that MMO.

This is simply wrong.

Most of the corps that are recruiting on the forums or ingame are smaller which means they CAN'T possibly do everything and appease everyone. It's an easy way to distinguish crap corps from ones that have potential. If a new corp is specific on what their intended purpose and function is, what time zone(s) they generally recruit pilots from, their goals for the future, a plan to get there and make realistic promises then their chances of survival are MUCH greater.

Some corps are nothing more than a banner that friends play together under and that's fine for that purpose. However generally speaking, CEO's need to treat their corporation like a business. They need to have set goals in mind, a direction to aim for and a plan to get there. These generic wishy-washy corps that promise a little of everything to appeal to everyone just can't deliver and are doomed to fail.

(btw, my alt seeks out, joins and kills corpmates that fly expensive ships from these wishy-washy corps. Fun times).

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