Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do I want CCP to keep making money and stay in business? Of course I do. Is it my responsibility? No, of course not. I'm sure CCP has a good idea of what they want to do with their business model, and how they're going to stay alive and make money while serving their customers (us).

I think this idea would cause a lot of players to LEAVE because it goes against the entire philosophy of what this game is supposed to be about. I don't think it would be able to increase subscription rates to counter the amount of people that would leave over this.

In short, I think this idea is completely counterproductive to what you think you're trying to accomplish. It will kill the game entirely.

well,as for PS3 Dust, i eahrd they decided to let us use keyboards+mice now, and the reason its ahrd to do a cross-platform currently is that the game is a conenction between sony and CCP servers, and i do beleiev sony has 2 different servers (one for PC games, one fro PS3) that CCp didnt want to get into dealing with it, since connecting to server systems togetehr was going to be ahrd enough.

People would take you more seriously if you actually saw the flaws of your idea and tried to resolve them rather than outright insulting people that doesn't like your idea defeats the whole purpose of creating a thread. Why share an idea with the community rather than sending it directly to a CCP Dev if you aren't going to listen to our input?

The reason why people aren't saying much else is because that one flaw, that you want a completely different server other than for testing goes against everything CCP has been working for with EVE.

Plus stop acting like you know stuff about business. A lot of people would lose faith in the game if it went the route to becoming just another MMO. How is pissing off their current player base who have given CCP millions of dollars worth of revenue good for business? How is taking away one of the major things that have made EVE the highest rated MMO for years now good for business?

Then we have the whole factor of how current EVE space is unevenly populated. For every person living in nullsec there dozens maybe even hundreds of people living in hisec. Do you know how severely depopulated Nullsec would be if you even halfed the amount of people on the servers? Many people would quit just because of how boring things become. The only way to counter this would be to drastically reduce the size of the world in EVE which would be another no-no.

Just because you can punch numbers into a calculator doesn't mean you have a degree in business.

Yeah, you're right.

Actually WoD Online would have strong niche following just like this game. How much there are vampire games on the market? There are none, but demand exists, as vampire fiction have its fans. IMO its a mistake the project was shelved.

Dust 514 on the other hand will compete with established FPS games which have large following. Things can thus easily go bad for CCP, and unfortunately, that's what I predict.

Industry, the market, and PvE resource gathering are largely dependent on player conflict and PvP, and of course so to is the reverse. However, that's not what I reading from the Alyssa's posts, as being incompatible. What is largely incompatible is Sandbox PvP and Themepark PvE. A lot of the problems with EVE and the underlying arguments in these forums boils down to these two forms of game play clashing with one another.

Actually forget even about PvP vs PvE, that's not even the core of the issue, nor is it casual vs hardcore. It is Sandbox vs Themepark. Visualize an actual Sandbox with kids playing in it. One child is building a big castle out of the sand, another beside him is digging a big pit, a third is drawing pictures. What happens? Well moving sand at one end of the pit can affect the other, sand is malleable but it's also connected. The children have to deal with one another as all their projects are affected by each other, the pictures can be erased, the pit filled in, the castle collapse, and this is without any conflict motivator.

Now think of the Themepark, you line up for the ride, you go on the ride, you finish the ride. Ultimately shy of some kid beside you throwing up the outcome is certain, consistent, and everyone gets their turn unaffected by anyone else. Further each ride can be completed multiple times and it will still remain largely consistent over the first or the 1000th time.

You cannot reasonably integrate these two concepts, and certainly not the expectations of those that look for each. OPer as I interpret it is looking for that controlled predictable Themepark experience, and cannot accept nor deal with the Sandbox realities. The problem is that CCP, perhaps in their wish to expand subscribers have increasingly coddled Themepark type players and aimed to control the Sandbox, but they haven't removed it entirely either. The result being a growing community divide of equally dissatisfied players.

Lastly while everyone criticizes the OPer for calling for separate servers, I actually don't think that's as dumb as what CCP has been doing in trying to balance Themepark and Sandbox expectations on the same server.

One word is enough to express my honest and sincere opinion on this topic: "No."

We don't need more servers. We need more players on the existing server. And CCP needs to focus at least the majority of their manpower on FIXING existing mechanics and items, rather than making new things. An extra server is not fixing things. It's adding things.

It's sad that the discussion ended up stupidly because of a rather stubborn OP.

Still I think RvR already exists in the form of Factional Warfare. Sure it is different to one the original RvR mechanic DAoC (I don't say the original because I wasn't playing online before) but the spirit is here. DAoC was a great game, perhaps the best MMO in his time. It came after T4P and was clearly leading the way to what is WoW now.

FW needs a rework (at least that's what people say - my corp isn't into that) but to say that we need a dedicated server for that is both foolish and completely ignoring that the success of DAoC was based on RvR implemented in every PvP area.

I hardly think a 6 day old player is qualified to make suggestions of this magnitude.

You have not had time to understand how the PvP players and the PvE players need each other to maintain the great game that Eve is.

A PvE only server would have no point, appart from to make money and buy a titan, and sit it it.

A PvP based server would lack the industry side to produce those lovely ships (soon to be explosions).

Without the constant threat of PvP, the PvE side of things would be boring and unrewarding. Plus the PvE server would simply turn into a BOTers heaven, as people simply Botted their way to a fortune then bought big ships to do nothing in.


OP. I hope my quick explination has helped. I know you can't possibly have much of an insight of Eve as a whole in you 6 days of playing. I imagine all the anti PvP butthurt is due to some can labled 'free stuff' or you were mining into a jetcan.

posting in a bad thread