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[Video] Kill Will: Volume 4
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Naomi Wildfire
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#41 - 2011-09-21 09:57:32 UTC
Nice, downloading =)

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Youtube is blocked in a bunch of countries btw, nothing I can do bout that.

If you are using firefox try this:
https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/stealthy/

ISD BH Newmind > Jingle bells, Tuxford smells, Falcon laid an egg =D
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2011-09-21 09:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Willl Adama
Laktos wrote:
Brilliant. I don't say this lightly, but to me this vid rivals the likes of Garmon and Endless's vids.


Best compliment you could possibly give me Smile


Issac Haydron wrote:
Pretty sweet vid. keep it up.

mind sharing your fleet stabber fit?


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Ed Hardi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2011-09-21 15:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ed Hardi
fanstastic movieAttention the typ has balls. cant stop watching your vid'sLol

P.s. i was hoping i see my nightmare alt in your next vidPirate

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Ramsfeld
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-09-21 17:33:17 UTC
very nice !
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-09-22 10:21:23 UTC
Ed Hardi wrote:
fanstastic movieAttention the typ has balls. cant stop watching your vid'sLol

P.s. i was hoping i see my nightmare alt in your next vidPirate


Heh, that fight didn't turn out as I hoped.

Guess fighting Nightmares with a brutix under sentries is a bad idea. Thought you were failfit :(

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Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2011-09-22 14:40:50 UTC
all these gang links and implants wouldn't bother me if 'least your enemies were competent

if people think this rivals garmon's videos, they're utter idiots
Yuan Randolph
Perkone
Caldari State
#47 - 2011-09-22 15:07:16 UTC
added to downloading list (30kb/s in average) Sad
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2011-09-22 15:09:24 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
all these gang links and implants wouldn't bother me if 'least your enemies were competent

if people think this rivals garmon's videos, they're utter idiots


I wouldn't dream of comparing my videos with Garmon's.

However, if you think the people he's fighting in his videos are any less incompetent, then you're the idiot. Being successful with a brawl ship in a 1on10 situation is not going to happen if your opponents know what they are doing, not ever.

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I Legionnaire
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-09-22 16:33:52 UTC
Great stuff as always willl, just a question about the deimos footage. How did you convince people with webs to stay in CNAM range without a web? Was it just bad piloting on their part, or did you use implants to extend falloff/optimal?
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-09-22 16:44:20 UTC
I'm sorry, but sometimes, Garmon's ennemies were somewhat incompetent.

I remember a fight (He was in a Cyclone) vs 4 BCs. He fought 2 BCs cause the other ones (An Harbinger with no propmod nor scorch ammo ? A Hurricane at 40km trying to shoot stuff with ACs ?) did stupid stuff.
I won't deny Garmon ~madprops~ (He definetly deserve those) but I can't help but think that if it were me and my friends in those 4 BCs, we wouldn't have failed THAT hard.
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-09-22 17:16:29 UTC
I Legionnaire wrote:
Great stuff as always willl, just a question about the deimos footage. How did you convince people with webs to stay in CNAM range without a web? Was it just bad piloting on their part, or did you use implants to extend falloff/optimal?


Deimos has a falloff bonus, you'll hit pretty well inside 10km with Ions.

Also, people were indeed being bad, and bait tanking helps convincing them into staying close.


SMT008 wrote:
I'm sorry, but sometimes, Garmon's ennemies were somewhat incompetent.

I remember a fight (He was in a Cyclone) vs 4 BCs. He fought 2 BCs cause the other ones (An Harbinger with no propmod nor scorch ammo ? A Hurricane at 40km trying to shoot stuff with ACs ?) did stupid stuff.
I won't deny Garmon ~madprops~ (He definetly deserve those) but I can't help but think that if it were me and my friends in those 4 BCs, we wouldn't have failed THAT hard.


You might've noticed the two drakes in that fight did a combined dps of 200 too.

And same thing goes for pretty much every fight in that movie as well. But the thruth is, that watching 1 competent guy tear apart a fleet of incompetent ones is just way more entertaining that watching 1on1s or 1on2s against other competent pilots.

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Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2011-09-22 18:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulous Virgil
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.
Atreides Horza
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2011-09-22 18:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Atreides Horza
Really awesome vid, this one!

Although your setups in this one was far more interesting and innovative, I personally liked your Ishtar vid more as it was a virtual study into the proper management of a really good active tanked setup.

As for all the polemic about 'metagaming' and the crying about T3 boosting, I find it utterly ridiculous. EVE is all about 'metagaming', knowing/choosing your opponent and turning hard numerical odds into your favor. Willl does that excellenty in a game that - more than anything - has become all about how you can throw more and bigger stuff at your opponent. He deserves credit for the massive balls he displays in doing so on his own terms - not being compared to someone else and belittled in the process...

As for Garmon, what made him legend was his abillity to read his opponents (not girls tho, lol), choose his fights, and creating hilarious spaceship drama. He combined the PvP'er with the entertainer - for me at least - and gave all the pretentiousnous of EVE the finger. Willl 'just' flies his sh*t and does it damn well too.

TL;DR : Stop comparing pears to apples...
Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-09-22 18:59:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Willl Adama
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.


So basically you're saying that my pvp is 'easy' and risk free and I'm only successful because of ISK.

**** it, I'm not even gonna bother.

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Willl Adama
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-09-22 19:04:55 UTC
Btw Virgil

FYI, the only fight I had HG implants was Eagle vs zealots/drake. (didn't have in merlin fight, was typo)

Also, I've lost nearly 15 billion ISK in the process of making this risk free video.

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Prozacxx
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#56 - 2011-09-22 20:02:32 UTC
Hi

If u all didnt know by now, all the retards dying in eve pvp movies are so utterly ******* bad theres no limit to it.
Thats how we r able to make entertaining videos.

u dig dawg?
Comboduck
The Voices Keep Getting Louder
#57 - 2011-09-22 21:13:15 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.


This is pathetic on so many levels that it's hard to find a suitable comparison.

You're some weak troll on a alt with no kills posting useless garbage
Until you post with your main and can back up all those things you say with a proven long time experience of eve pvp (killboard or whatever you chose) you're not even worth taking seriously. However someone who posts with an alt I'd have to assume they're so terrible they won't dare. Overall you clearly do not know anything at all about pvp, or you'd not say so much moronic ****.

He hides behind isk? Well first of all redo your calculations on the value of the stuff he uses and you'll find that your assumptions are deadwrong. T3s and some cheap implants doesn't make your ship all powerful and impossible to kill, but it makes it possible to maybe do some more stuff. I wish people would understand that

or else start a revolution and make ccp take it out of the game

so sick of this

drunk whales on vacation
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
#58 - 2011-09-22 21:17:18 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.


I thought everyone knew that 99% of eve is utterly ******** and the other 1% just take advantage of them and circlejerk about it on myEVE.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-09-22 23:48:50 UTC
Fabulous Virgil wrote:
What i'm going to say is nothing personal, but garmon does more in his videos than this. Here everything comes down to pilots being awful, garmon's videos have alot of variety to them, this video is all about taking advantage of implants and links.

I like this movie, but there are so many "1v10" videos like "Force of Nature" that also have those types of fights, but they're so much more than just tank and spank or baiting because you're constantly safe from dying thanks to ISK. You're so well equipped for the engagements that you rarely have to overheat. If you can take on 3 ships, or f.e. take on a Thrasher in a Merlin, where you should be dead and you win while barely even taking any heat damage then it's like taking on a Rifter in a Vexor, isn't it? It's great if you get the fight, you probably have to do something more to win it, but it doesn't make for strong video footage. The point i'm trying to make is, it's absolutely fine with me if you're putting so much money behind you on the field, however what should follow that is you taking full advantage of it, you should put your ship to the absolute limit and not just straight up tank everything, eliminating DPS from the field untill people realise they can't break you so they leave.

I understand why this all seems epic and great and it definetly takes a good pilot to make it happen, but as much as the number of kills looks great, the footage doesn't. f.e. i'd take Prozacxx's "(-1)" over this anytime even if this video was 3x as long or whatever you think that makes a video good.

No offense.

On a completely unrelated note, your whole game plan seems to be metagaming people to death. You take a ship, you overtank it, plug in 2b worth of implants, bring a link alt, fit not enough tackle and go brawl people to death. A Thorax or a Deimos with just a scrambler facing a fleet should die in an instant and not kill anything, people know that, that's why they seemingly act stupid in some fights. However behind your T1 hull there's 3b worth of ISK and that's metagaming. Metagaming is part of this game and i understand it, baiting with a hull tanked Machariel can work and be entertaining, but if that's all you have for all the fights, then it makes for a poor video. There is footage of people not acting stupid, like the fight of your Moa versus a Drake and a Dramiel, these guys know what they're doing and you're absolutely hopeless, you tank fine because of the isk you put out there, but that's it.

Just my opinion.


Terrible troll is terrible. At least come up with a new criticism. Your argument is so old.

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zahg
PARABELUM-Project
#60 - 2011-09-23 00:15:49 UTC
Every single person hide a logi, a falcon or a t3 alt nowaday...
Its just about soloing with t3 links and implants 10 other people with 10 time more t3 links and implants AND with falcon, logis and gay neut ships also...and because trowing all this **** at a solo guy is not enought, we also start to see some new age haute couture 8 damp platform scorpions...just to be sure the solo guy don't lock.

I mean...wake up...Willl Adama do fine for me no?