Warfare & Tactics

I watched your corp do it in Otosela against TEST. Which is why I'm shocked that you still somehow managed to lose 44 ships (and at least one pod) to them.

Max Loki-boosted shield gank Brutix is ove 100m/s faster than a non-boosted nano-Cane, so while your argument is true in general, I can certainly see benefits to running skirmish links with brawlers.

Tracking disruptors don't need a buff. Damps on the other hand do. Regardless, you will never see people flying armor BC's rolling this EWAR if no FC's are willing to try to fight like this. As it stands, I haven't seen any armor BC gangs using TD's even though it would be viable. Just cus it can be done and could be effective, doesn't mean that people will actually try and do it.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it not be retarded.

And on kill mails! Yes I mad bro!

Strong buffer tanks + RR? Either they stay closer to deal max damage to break reps and risk getting tackled/shot back, or they pull range and their dps drops off so as to be tankable.

Or just don't aggress so as to jump/dock if you don't start in tackle range and know they will kite you, or just warp off if they pull too much range. You can still fly around fully when long-pointed.

The natural counters of kiters are:

1. Snipers (due to low buffer kiters die horribly fast to snipers acting from long range)
2. Rapier or Huginn (long web = low speed = dead kiter)
3. Curse or Heavy Neut in general (no cap = no MWD speed = dead kiter)

I forgot to mention another though nut for kiters: Missile boats in general. Caracals and Drakes easily make most kiters run.

Each type of ship has it's place and it depends on the situation which I will use. For the most part my slicer is the roaming ship of choice because it's much harder to catch than a slow brawler fit. Not long ago me and 3-4 corp mates would go to Hagilur and fight the E-Uni blobs over and over with nothing but frigates. We would be kite fit because E-Uni would typically have 15+ to our 5 and jamming support which we did not.

The fact that we would engage it at all I think dispenses with the coward objection but to engage it with brawler fits would be nothing more than suicide and if I wanted to commit suicide in a manly way I would go outside right now and headbutt the sidewalk for an hour. Typical composition would consist of two pointers/fighters, slicer/firetail usually to get points and engage any frigates while the other 3 are in bombers and engage the large pointed targets (E-UNI always overships) and use various E-war to keep up the tacklers when they're in so deep (damps work great at keeping us from being permajammed).

Additionally how many AB fit AFs did our slicer and firetail kill simply by holding them at about 20km and shooting them till they finally burn out or if active tanking run out of cap boosters.

Brawling fits are much better for fights where you expect escalation and you have ways of repping, generally remote, and you'll be staying on the field until you hold it or until you're dead. You need to be kite fit if you're going around in a small gang of frigates with no hope of support being close by and you've got little to no scouting because there are so few of you around.

As for brawling being the "honorable" way to fight, I've equated honor with stupidity since I started playing this game and there's a reason the dead are so often the "honored dead", just saying.

Kiting with your t3 boosts is lame ... no doubt about it.

But if it makes you win .. then no reason not to.


But brutal spacewarriors brawl ... I guess thats why I like amarr ^^

once i asked here: what to do to catch solo cynabal/vagabond if he is outside scram range?
And i got something like this: you need Rapier + cynabal/vagabond

I guess something is wrong here....

What is funny: the same situation with titan blobs (what is counter to titan blob? the bigger titan blob) makes people sure that it needs to be nerfed. While kiting (and especially gaymatar ships) is ok.