EVE General Discussion

http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/9149/ccp-s-dust-514-to-be-the-first-true-free-to-play-fps-on

Let me make sure I understand this correctly:

You're releasing DUST 514....

For free? Is anyone else confused and looking for the business model in this?

ITT: Dust 514 will be FREE. Wat do?

Maybe it's only you?
Because everyone else heard about Team Fortress 2 or World of Tanks.

Oh dear, this defiantly 'de-values' my expectations of Dust.

How is it P2W? Double SP isn't P2W. P2W is when you can't receive item or service necessary to continue or compete without paying for the service or item. If it is achievable through time investment then it is not P2W. I swear gamers are the cheapest things that crawl the surface of the earth.

another bit of interest towards DUST lost. Not much left now.

it's just going to be battlefield heroes in a scifi environment isnt it.

I love how so many people seem to think FtP = a lesser gamer/PtW...

Mainly, they are simply going to be expanding on the 'PLEX' model, used by our very selves. Does that make EVE any less of a game? And this doesnt make it PtW, because all content bought with RL currency, will be able to be sold/bought/passed on via the ingame market system, like PLEX does now. So what if someone wants to spend, say £5 on a different gun skin? I'll just buy it off him with ISK when i've earnt enough.

Heck, with EVE now, I'm willing to bet that the majority of their income comes through the PLEX sales, rather than subscriptions. It only takes looking at the various market hubs & a calculator to figure that out

Can someone please explain to me how this makes sense? How will they make money? And what effect does this have on the Eve economy?

Dust is just another game i wont play. CCP obviously didnt get the msg last time.

Requiring my ability to play the game successfully to be dependent on my RL wealth is NOT the way to design a gaming system. It brings about a version of class warfare that destroys the average players enjoyment. It takes the consequences of game participation/enjoyment to a point outside the actual game which is not where it should be IMHO

I can see the current CCP EveOnline model as an acceptable thing because there is the ability of the player to gain ingame wealth by hard work, craftiness. A player is NOT required to pay extra RL money to "Win".

F2P-P2W is directly dependent on RL money to gain a successful foothold in the game. I shouldn't be denied the ability to be successful in the F2P game because my RL worth is insufficient to play against some rich punk with daddy's CC.

That is NOT what gaming is about.

I Can't enjoy playing a game pitting my RL worth directly against someone elses. That removes the "Fantasy" (i know its a scifi game. Not speaking of medieval fantasy but the mental acceptance of a non reality based storyline game)

Gaming is about immersing oneself in an alternate reality. Forcing the reality of RL monetary "warfare" removes that immersion and destroys the ability to enjoy the game.

A successful game should be based on all players starting the game on equal footing. Allowing 2 players to start at the same beginning point in a game. Having Player 1 "buy" their ability to "win" without actually having to strive to achieve goals to gain the reward VS Player 2 who works/plays hard but cannot, by game design, achieve the same goal by harder work is just simply wrong. Any division of skill/worth or other developed differences between said players should happen without the interference of RL money or other exterior influences. The fairness value that is set by game design (ingame mechanics vs outside game design rules) is destroyed.

This is NOT the way to design a game. I wish CCP (and all of these other F2P game companies) would figure this out.

Well....at least now I know not to bother buying Dust. I was going to buy a PS3 JUST to play it, but seriously, sp boosters? Respecs? Treasure boxes?

No thanks.

You think they would have wanted at least some Eve players to play both, and increase Dusts user base. Given the reaction they received to things that weren't even close to that bad here its quite clear that we aren't welcome in Dust.

I wouldn't have minded paying another subscription IF dust turned out to be fun. But I don't play f2p games, or cash shops. I've tried to enjoy a couple of them; the communities suck and the overly obvious nickel and diming is off putting.