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INCURSION NEEDS TO BE TONED DOWN, SOMEONE WHO HAS HIS OWN TENGU FLEET IS MAKING 15 BILLION ISK A DAY
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Electric Shoe
Zero Point Pony Energy
#41 - 2012-03-05 02:51:47 UTC
Cool, my own thread, neato.

I'd love to see someone really commit to just headshotting every single hisec incursion for a month or two. That would really take care of the 'balance' issue.
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#42 - 2012-03-05 06:42:29 UTC
What?, with no logis? Shocked

I don't think there is any chance for any ship, no matter how well tanked, to survive being primaried in a vanguard site long enough to get rid of the dps without logi support ... or is it? Shocked

Proof or it didn't happen
CatreX Nolen
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-03-05 07:01:31 UTC
THE RAGE IS STRONG WITH THIS ONE.


It's legit!
Oliver Duncan
B0rthole
#44 - 2012-03-05 07:27:57 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.


Coordinating in incursions is really easy. You anchor on one ship, and then shoot everything on field. It's unlikely that the group you saw was actually one player. As far as I know there are three people that run incursions by themselves and none of them fly Legions.

Why should incursions run that much differently from level 4 missions? No one complains about people running level 4 missions and then warping off and starting a new one.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#45 - 2012-03-05 07:39:36 UTC
Oliver Duncan wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.


Coordinating in incursions is really easy. You anchor on one ship, and then shoot everything on field. It's unlikely that the group you saw was actually one player. As far as I know there are three people that run incursions by themselves and none of them fly Legions.

Why should incursions run that much differently from level 4 missions? No one complains about people running level 4 missions and then warping off and starting a new one.


Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#46 - 2012-03-05 07:58:53 UTC
Tengus...incursions...sigh.

Some people will never learn.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#47 - 2012-03-05 08:34:18 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.


Roll

This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex).
Angry Brother
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-03-05 09:13:24 UTC
Mina Sebiestar wrote:
Tengus...incursions...sigh.

Some people will never learn.



he makes 15 bil a day with tengus What?
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#49 - 2012-03-05 10:29:20 UTC
Fearless M0F0 wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:

Because l4 missions aren't the completely out-of-whack ISK-faucet that's been driving the price of damned near everything into the stratosphere of late.


Roll

This argument has been beaten to death already thanks to the stats CCP Diagoras has been posting to his twitter account: In average, all incursion runners receive about twice as much isk as lvl 4 runners but only 1/3 of the isk received by bounties (ratting/plex).


Disingenuous, mate (please don't insult my intelligence, thank you):

That's an extra 30-odd percent of new ISK created that wasn't there prior to the Incursion-farming craze, with no new ISK-sinks created to keep that in balance, and no new ways to encourage the movement of this now-existing ISK between players, likewise (not many shinies getting urp-sploded in Incursions that I can see--x for suicide-gank fleet, people, I'm FC'ing this sumbeotch!).

The result is the inflations we've been seeing of late (it wasn't that long ago that a Dominix chassis cost ca. ISK 45-50mn, it's now around 70-ish, to name just one.)

Incursion income would be fine, if there existed sufficient ISK/resource-sinks to balance all this money being magick'ed up from thin air at next to no risk.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#50 - 2012-03-05 10:42:08 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
You realize this guy is CCP's ideal customer right?


Exactly.

So this is a thread about someone making a lot of ISK ingame with their very own fleet.

Next please.

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Cain Blazed
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-05 11:21:40 UTC
So we make some isk in highsec.. We are having fun, getting fleets, talking on comms. Having a great time, and then we have the likes of you, ridicoulusly jealus..
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#52 - 2012-03-05 11:41:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High. Roll

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-03-05 11:44:29 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
get rid of isk payouts replace with lp payouts only.

IM TAKIN THIS TO THE CSM :D

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
so3ke
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-03-05 14:15:26 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
NullBears can get a 875,000,000 Mining Foreman Mindlink from a STORYLINE........and then say WE have it too easy in High. Roll


and why is it that expensive? no one in 0.0 mines remember?
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-03-05 14:20:40 UTC
Congrats to the guy with his own fleet. He doesn't have to worry about much unless he has multiple personalities telling each other over comms to shut up.

Stuff Goes here
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2012-03-05 14:44:26 UTC
Tarikan wrote:
oh look someone's got 10 toons.

i agree, incursion payouts in high-sec are on par with null-sec ratting if not better, for lower risk, but for someone having 10 more toons/alts to play with is no unheard of.

If someone has gotten the time and dedication to make money in this game called eve, then they'll do it.



On par?

Solo BS ratting barely pays what a good spread of level 4s do.....again if you get lucky.

Even a decent...not good, not shiny, just built correctly ....van fleet pulls 75mil an hour. You can make that in null, but you need a fully upgraded system and a carrier to do it.

Of course incursions don't have billion isk paydays from escalations, but you get the idea.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#57 - 2012-03-05 16:41:52 UTC
Angry Brother wrote:
Electric Shoe is claiming he makes 15 billion day from incursion with his own tengu fleet alts without any risk. This needs to be addressed as it is an example of the imbalance regarding risk/reward.

here are his alts:

Tengu Tabby
Tengu Talia
Tengu Tasha
Tengu Teagan
Tengu Tequila
Tengu Tex
Tengu Tiffany
Tengu Tomiko
Tengu Tracy
Tengu Trianna

Corporation: Dynamic Space Industries


I make a 100 billion a day
i heard a friend of a friend of a friend makes 1 trillion isk a day!!! come on idiot a person can't 7 box & compete he'd lose to even non shiney fleets just ask chunker
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-03-05 16:53:33 UTC
Cain Blazed wrote:
So we make some isk in highsec.. We are having fun, getting fleets, talking on comms. Having a great time, and then we have the likes of you, ridicoulusly jealus..



What you need to understand is EVE is risk vs reward. You put something on the line and you get a reward for it. Currently its out of whack because incursions in high sec give the largest reward but no risk.

Its also completely monotonous and boring. Level 5 missions are actually more fun and there is more risk because they're all in low sec.

Tell yer what. Keep your high sec money but add mechanics to stop them being farmed repeatedly, make low and null incursions pay out more, add sleeper AI..oh and random visits to sites by the mother ship to blot out some of those 5b ISK faction battleships in one go.



Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#59 - 2012-03-05 16:54:37 UTC
Good for him. That many accounts he's welcome to it.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#60 - 2012-03-05 16:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
MadMuppet wrote:
I cloaked in to a few incursion sites once just to see what they were all about and a watched a bunch of Legions in a congo line eat up the site in a couple minutes and just warp to the next one. Most if not all where probably the same guy (that or their coordination is Blue Angels quality). If this guy has the skills, resources, and hardware to do it I can't really fault him. The speed at which he was cookie cutting these things was awesome from a play standpoint, but they do show that incursions are far too easy for someone(s) who can do this.

In my opinion there is too much isk and too many materials stockpiled in the game, there will need to be a major upset in the market before anything changes that. CCP balancing that against frustrated players is the risk they need to deal with, a sudden drop in subscriptions is something they do not need.


Legion fleets are that precise...a 10 boxer can't keep up with them & will lose every time in competition. Its the NCO's that competely melt in thier presence. The legion fleet can't compete in an OTA versus a shield fleet though so that forces them to jump from system to system in search of NCO's slowing them down a bit
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'