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Pros and Cons of Suicide ganking.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#121 - 2012-03-05 11:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
Why do you feel it needs to be discouraged?


Because every time a ship is ganked, or a Cheetoh eaten, God kills a kitten.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#122 - 2012-03-05 11:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Crystal Liche wrote:
Atticus Fynch wrote:
After reading the thread on why people suicide gank, the obvious answer..."because they can"...doesnt really address the question.

Apparently there are advantages and disadvantages involved in doing so.

The question here is, currently with present day EVE mechanics, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages? And if so how can it be better balanced so as to discourage it.


Your thoughts/ideas?


Pros to suicide gank?

I have no idea, to me it doesn't even look fun.

I think you have to be like a 14 year old boy, to me it has that "smash stuff" aura that little boys like about the age right before they discover girls.

I guess if a person is bored?



I'm pushing age 40. And I like "smashing stuff" on occasion, too. Much more so than I did when I was a kid, actually. Twisted

So there's a little more to it than that, I think...

E: Because I'm mature (relatively speaking, naturally) enough to draw out the satisfaction and savour it nowBlink Like how IRL, a gentleman of maturity and taste might enjoy a fine w(h)ine, as opposed to a 17-year old just guzzling ****** cheap beer to get smashed ASAP.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#123 - 2012-03-05 11:31:55 UTC
ReiAnn wrote:
Suicide ganking needs to be address more by CCP. Just killing the insurance payout is in essense the least they could do. There are mega-corps/alliances that pay people to do it in order to manipulate item markets. Just taking away isk is like telling a serial killer he's been bad and sending him on his way. It's sad when high sec is riskier than null sec. Plus, people use it as a griefing mechanism which is strictly against policy, but nothing ever gets done about it. If you're going to be a pirate, be a pirate. Don't gank ships to pad your killboard, then grind sec status because you don't want to be stuck in low sec. Entire corp and alliances should be forced to bare the weight of their member actions. I would rather compete with a bot than deal with an idoit who is getting free ships to mess with me while I mine. If you want to stop my mining operation, declare war and bring it like a real man. Better yet, make everyone with a negative status killable both ship and pod. It's REALISTIC. I love how everyone says fight back, but EVE is suppose to have an aspect for every player and every player doesnt want to PVP.


ArtyNado pilots, x-up.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#124 - 2012-03-05 11:41:46 UTC
D'Kelle wrote:
If you want CCP to improve the ballance, personally I think you are wasting your time and effort, its one of their stealth ways of making Empire gaming more of a chore, however the following might be a considered way they could do it, and that would be for Concorde to tractor/transport the offending POD Pilots off to an In system Prison which holds the POD for upto max 5 gaming days depending upon the cost of damage they caused so that they cannot clone jump or warp out to either a safe spot or out of system. pluss the other in system pilots can verbally take the Pi*s out of them in local then whilst in there, and I guess they may gain some Kudos for having been "inside". It wont stop them but it will cause them inconvenience and reduce the incentive, and perhaps force them to war dec corps as they should do;That is if they have what it takes to do that, which I doubt.
Dont get angry get EVEn :]



You:

Uninstall.

Now.

(If troll: 0/10, no originality or style whatsoever--don't quit your day-job!)

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-03-05 11:49:14 UTC
D'Kelle wrote:
You are not even a true Goon. Just a wannabe Goon trailing along in their great shadow. like some beggar attempting to be what youre not. "Goonwaffe" sounds like some watered down erzats version of the "True Goons".


Please point out where the true goons are, NPC corp alt posting pubbie

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#126 - 2012-03-05 11:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
D'Kelle wrote:


just keep a few cheap alts to suicide podkill the bas*ards then recycle your throwaway alt char. keep em in an npc corp with no link too you just like they do.


Yes, please do this:

Recycling sui-gank alts is an exploit that will get you banned, so then we have one less perpetual willing victim crapping up these forums trying to force utter pants-on-head stupidity on the rest of us (in-system 5 day "jail." Oh, Mother of All Gods...RollRollRoll) to justify its miserable, lifeless existence.

But before you do that and get yourself banned for exploiting, remember to contract your assets/send your ISK to me, as you won't be needing it anymore.

Yes, please!Roll

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Lady Mariko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-03-05 13:47:21 UTC
ReiAnn wrote:
Yes, please, threaten me with suicide ganking crew. Grow up. This is the prime example of the people who need to go back to playing WOW. They don't have the intellect to do anything that might actually force them into a fight they might loose. No where in the world do legimate corporations openningly consort with criminals. If you want to be a criminal, then you have to deal with the conseqences of your actions. CCP really needs to institute a prison system like Escape from New York or better yet place them in a padded cell like any suicidal person is kept in by authorities for a long length of time. Keep players from clone jumping so they are forced to risk the fancy implants they don't want to risk while suiciding themselves. Force gankers to pay for damages done before being allowed to grind back their security status. If a PVE player is forced to deal wtih PVP players, then at least make the losses equal.

And by the way, there is no where on the main site that claims EVE is a pvp only game. so either the developers need to change their advertising or actually make EVE a game of all varieties.



Wow you the crazy angry personLol

Gank is more fun if miner has protection. Just watch and wait for him let the guard down. Or do it under his nose. Some one say not to use cheap ship.....what a dumbazz.Lol
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#128 - 2012-03-06 10:07:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Sisohiv
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Of course.

Taking it too far

I contracted him his stuff. Mailed and suggested he just quit. I can't be bothered to defend a game company that looks the other way when people treat thier new players like that.

- That's a suicide ret kill in a .5 sec. The guy was mining Veld, 18 days out in a ret.
NuMaiky
Ring of Honor
#129 - 2012-03-07 13:39:13 UTC
ok at this time i have both Pros and cons to this idea of "GANK"

Pros

1: they get a kill mail thats over costs there lose in isk over all its not a battle of who's lost the most ships its a fight over isk 1 mill isk can tell who won or who lost

2: the Gankers noraml have a loot stealer on site ( alts always alts ) to steal the loot and rarely but sometimes u get a loot kill thats worth a few 500 mill or so and even better they drop "faction" loot my corp mate from a long time ago lost a 4 bill is mac trying to def vs 4 gankers sad part is they failed the frist time and he got 4 Kill mails but he still lost it cuz of there 2end time around

3: Stop the botting thats has made the game AFK all the time


now this is the cons

1: Gank all the miners stops mining for a bit lowering the amount of Ore coming to station and ore is sent to builders and builders build the ships that we love and use all the time over all Ganking a mining ship means u are "ACTIVELY" asking to have ship prices go higher

2: Sec standings yes we lose it all but i do not understand a few things about that so i will not say much

add:

now what CCP should add to this game is not letting players with -3.00 standings in 0.6 or higher as EVE is all about what u do has a bad thing come with it

they can freely roam in high sec with -10.00
and another thing HIGH SEC is meaning safer peaceful i have seen players sit out side of "new palyer starting zones" and insta pop players left and right how do they even get a chance?

there is a few ways to stop gankers all together

1: make Concord timing 5 secs fastter with insta pop
2: Force concord to demand a payment paid too the person being attacked in question or be killed
3: adding more harder Tank to mining ships and Hualers to stop this Ganking
4: removeing all Ganking idea permantly and adding a ban for Gank ( would not be my frist choice as its
5: Adding more CPU and PowerGrid to all Exumers class ships ( +100 Being a med class ship and having less then most frigs is not what i call fair )


i belive alot of players who Suicide Gank is cuz they want too win at PVP but suck at it so they need a LARGE handny cap by killing miners who have no HOPE of winning

gankers have done it soo much that there is now SET FITS for every class fit for mining ships

all i can say is that there are many forums of what is now called Carebears

i belive that Gankers are called
CareBears Gankers
cuz killing unlessly hulks and mac and not "other" class ships gets to be lame and wasteful more or less

i am a mininer i have delt with MANY MANY CLASS of them i care not for the Trash talking they do i just take it 1 day at a time with EVE

this is just my mind of what i see it as if u have any coments on this plz EVE mail me

if u wish to Rage and lol at me your going to get nothing but a nice block cuz i care not and don't honest have the time

Sigh by
NuMaiky
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#130 - 2012-03-07 13:41:37 UTC
Pros:
You can get phat lootz
It creates delicious tears

Cons:
You lose a ship
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#131 - 2012-03-07 21:59:32 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Pros:
You can get phat lootz
It creates delicious tears

Cons:
You lose a ship


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Cletus Graeme
Shai Dorsai
#132 - 2012-03-08 02:06:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Cletus Graeme
Atticus Fynch wrote:

The question here is, currently with present day EVE mechanics, do the advantages outweigh the disadvantages?


Take a look at these kills and tell me if you think it's worth it Pirate

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