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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#21 - 2012-03-05 00:48:47 UTC
discordigant wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

Read through thread, then post.

Thank you.



Did and reiteration is still a good reason to post, but go back to your happy place were everyone agrees with your bad theories...

I propose we allow black ops drops, titan bridging and super capitals into wormholes.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
discordigant
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-05 01:21:03 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

Read through thread, then post.

Thank you.



Did and reiteration is still a good reason to post, but go back to your happy place were everyone agrees with your bad theories...

I propose we allow black ops drops, titan bridging and super capitals into wormholes.



LOL some of your null mates on CSM are trying that already with their "WH stabaliser" Please feel free to add that, but then we would whine for moon goo to pay for some shiny new toys for us too. Go back to pvping in your 100man blobs and thinking your cool.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#23 - 2012-03-05 01:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
discordigant wrote:
lol some of you null friends on CSM trying that already with their "WH stabaliser" Please feel free to add that, but then we would whine for moon goo to pay for some shiny new toys for us too. Go back to pvping in your 100man blobs and thinking your cool.

Well, at least now I can safely rest in the certainty that you're just lazy, and haven't read the thread, rather than being an utter moron. Not that I'm ruling out you being an utter moron.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
discordigant
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-03-05 03:12:14 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Did and reiteration is still a good reason to post, but go back to your happy place were everyone agrees with your bad theories...

I propose we allow black ops drops, titan bridging and super capitals into wormholes.

LOL some of your null mates on CSM are trying that already with their "WH stabaliser" Please feel free to add that, but then we would whine for moon goo to pay for some shiny new toys for us too. Go back to pvping in your 100man blobs and thinking your cool.[/quote]
Well, at least now I can safely rest in the certainty that you're just lazy, and haven't read the thread, rather than being an utter moron. Not that I'm ruling out you being an utter moron.[/quote]


When you have nothing tangible to add or criticize, baseless attacks are your friend.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#25 - 2012-03-05 03:20:20 UTC
discordigant wrote:
When you have nothing tangible to add or criticize, baseless attacks are your friend.

When you fail to realize a remark is sarcastic, because you haven't read the thread, you should probably stop posting.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
discordigant
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-03-05 03:39:27 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
discordigant wrote:
When you have nothing tangible to add or criticize, baseless attacks are your friend.

When you fail to realize a remark is sarcastic, because you haven't read the thread, you should probably stop posting.



When i have realized i am talking to a 12 year old that likes bashing his head against a brick wall i stop posting, that time has come.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#27 - 2012-03-05 03:44:42 UTC
discordigant wrote:
When i have realized i am talking to a 12 year old that likes bashing his head against a brick wall i stop posting, that time has come.

It was nice trolling talking with you.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
The Vastator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-05 04:47:57 UTC
discordigant wrote:
Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

You'll be shocked when what you've wanted so much gets implemented and then backfires when you least expect it. No local will require fleets to have more scouts constantly watching gates or to always be prepared for the worst case possible. Unlike whs were you have mass restrictions impeding mobility, k-space will be gank galore and moving in blobs will be the safest way to carry out effective pvp ops.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-03-05 04:57:51 UTC
An AFK cloaking ship is no threat to you. Man up and go do your things. Better yet don't do them alone. Eve Online isn't a single player game.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#30 - 2012-03-05 05:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Simi Kusoni
The Vastator wrote:
discordigant wrote:
Take away local all together, we don't have it in WH's and can pawn people out of nowhere. It would force you scared null bears into more smaller sized engagements.

EDIT: Hell they even took away jump data from WH's and we love it, null has to catch up.

You'll be shocked when what you've wanted so much gets implemented and then backfires when you least expect it. No local will require fleets to have more scouts constantly watching gates or to always be prepared for the worst case possible. Unlike whs were you have mass restrictions impeding mobility, k-space will be gank galore and moving in blobs will be the safest way to carry out effective pvp ops.

Not to mention the fact that we have black ops, supers and titan bridging. Not to mention the fact that unlike in WHs the defenders won't have a monopoly on capitals.

It might be safe to rely on d-scan for protection in a WH but in null sec the rats aren't going to swap targets to the newcomer, and there isn't going to be a delay between that recon landing/decloaking and back up arriving. The moment the cyno goes up you're dead.

All of this, and the other issues regarding the differences between local in null/WHs have been discussed to death before, in this thread and others. Delayed local seems like the only sensible approach, but even that needs some work. Too short a delay and it becomes pointless, too long and we'd just see fast ships constantly rushing ratting systems with a cyno fitted.

Ideally IMHO the time delay should be just a little bit less time than it takes to cross your average system in a small fast ship.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#31 - 2012-03-05 05:10:22 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
An AFK cloaking ship is no threat to you. Man up and go do your things. Better yet don't do them alone. Eve Online isn't a single player game.

The OP, and most the rest of us in this thread, want null sec made more dangerous. Turn auto-reply off Blink

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2012-03-05 10:00:02 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Personally, even though I'm a giant care bear, I want null sec to become more dangerous. For one thing, if life is more difficult all the faction/deadspace items I get are going to shoot up in price since bots can't get the faction stuff anymore and only skilled players would be able to collect dead space.


Bots D-scan far better than you or I could ever do.


While this is totally true, regular and continual d-scan requests would be a dead give away of botting. And they would have to do it constantly or risk getting jumped.

I feel that immediate mode local in nul should be a perk of sov holding. Delayed should be the default.

I found flying a bomber in w-space to be both fun and challenging. After blowing up a couple salvaging Noctii or PI industrials, residents usually harden up. Then you get some good fights. Nul can be that way as well.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#33 - 2012-03-05 11:38:52 UTC
Problem is that local is designed as local chat not as immediate perfect intel tool. We need new (auto)intel tool (ccp is working on them). When this new tool is finished, then is room to make local only for chat.

edit: wh system without local is very funny, one of best things in eve :)
evil art
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-04-14 08:43:45 UTC
Gempei wrote:
Problem is that local is designed as local chat not as immediate perfect intel tool. We need new (auto)intel tool (ccp is working on them). When this new tool is finished, then is room to make local only for chat.

edit: wh system without local is very funny, one of best things in eve :)


local is the best intel tool in eve, thats pretty sad.
the game would be alot more interesting of 0.0 had the element of suprice,
churrros
afwewafe
#35 - 2012-04-14 09:24:26 UTC
I don't know how it is in sov 0.0, but from where I have been PVEing(low, 0.0npc) with missions and exploration I have always spammed D-scan.

Why would you want completely safe space in 0.0?
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#36 - 2012-04-14 10:16:41 UTC
What they should do is, if you have a Cov Ops ship then when you jump though a gate you jam the stargate control system and you do not appear on local if you jumped cloaked. The gate will still fire like normal but it will not register you into immediate local, it will place you in delayed local until you either chat in system or uncloak on grid with a station or gate. Recons will not get this ability because of additional mass and role play about how there isn't a system available yet to hide the cruiser sized ship from the gates but Cov Ops are small enough to trick the computers to think the gate just misfired.

If you are entering system through a Black Ops cyno then you do not appear in local until you chat or appear on grid with a station or gate.

By doing this you fix Cov Ops and Black Ops in one fell swoop. This will also be for all security levels. Even 1.0.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#37 - 2012-04-14 10:17:26 UTC
Point of this thread?

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
evil art
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-04-14 10:18:33 UTC  |  Edited by: evil art
its pretty safe, local is the only tool you need, i love the cloky playstyle but atm it dosent offer me anything besdides 20 hours
of sitting and looking at a screen, the most common way to soloplay with a recons or SB´s is to stay online but play other games, go to work, come back, sleep relog after DT might get lucky in a week or two.Thats the only "sane way" i can think of. Heck feel more unsafe in hightsec atm, alot of things are on the way the upcoming changes for example CCP said someting like " there will be great reward but also great risk"with that small note i think some stuff might be changed around a little.
evil art
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-04-14 10:40:33 UTC  |  Edited by: evil art
lanyaie wrote:
Point of this thread?



why dont you just stop posting ,if you dont offer anything i realy dont want to hear it.
Nemo deBlanc
Resource Acquisition Unlimited
#40 - 2012-04-14 12:11:47 UTC
If you're going to cry about removing local, then it's time to remove jump freighters, remove jump bridges, nerf carrier jump range, and whatever else is apparently needed to make nullsec actually remotely dangerous. As it is currently is a complete joke, there's no risk whatsoever unless you're an idiot. You guys deserve to make as much isk as high sec bears. Hell, probably less. The space is certainly safer for care bearing than anywhere else in the game.

As an aside, whoever was saying wh should have local, please go kill yourself. (Mittani style)