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[Caldari] Sniper bonused ships viable?
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OfBalance
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-03 05:14:06 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
No disputing the optimal bonus works out great on some ships, but trying to extrapolate that into optimal bonuses are huge in general doesn't really fit. The optimal bonus hybrid ships are a mixed bag. The harpy wasn't terrible pre-buff, no suprise that it is OP now. The eagle, otoh, was terrible and is still terrible. If the ship with not one, but two range bonuses is terrible, that doesn't say much for your thesis statement.


Pretty sure the Harpy has 2 optimal bonuses? ;-) That said, give the Eagle a 25m^3 drone bay and unbrick it and it'd be ******* pimp.

-Liang


Can't think tonight, have the dumb.

Anyhow, definitely in support of those suggestions.
Manar Detri
#22 - 2012-03-03 20:42:27 UTC
the funny thing bout eagle is that you'll do pretty much same dmg at point max range as a vagabond but the second the range gets closer you'll start winning in dps ) so yes, give eagle 25 cubes of drone space & bandwidth
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-03 21:44:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Indeterminacy
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Indeterminacy wrote:
But as I said, it's on par with a sniper fit diemost.


"It's just as good as this other bad ship!"

Quote:
but who wants to fly the same ship (ie a muninn) all the time?


Hi hello


Says the guys who bridged on us in arty canes last night Lol
Was decent fight yeah?

I had loads of fun, nearly burned out the mids and got damned low on cap IN MAH EAGLE kiting...great fun.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-03-03 22:03:34 UTC
Indeterminacy wrote:

Was decent fight yeah?


if you say so v0v

I don't consider jumping into equal numbers and only getting 2x the kills as a "decent" outcome.
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-03 22:19:37 UTC
So that's how it's gonna be between us?

btw, we might be talking about different fights cuz....

Kills: 28
Losses: 30
Damage done (ISK): 2.27B - 2266.93M
Damage received (ISK): 2.91B - 2910.56M
OfBalance
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-03-03 22:45:19 UTC
Eagle-cats m8.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-03-04 00:45:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mfume Apocal
Indeterminacy wrote:

btw, we might be talking about different fights cuz...


http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D12619411&Nulli_Tertius=blue&Nulli_Secunda=blue&GIANTSBANE_=red&Initiative_Mercenaries=red&Vera_Cruz_Alliance=blue&The_Initiative_=red&BricK_sQuAD_=red&F_RCEFUL_ENTRY=red#assign

Numbers are hard.

My bad on kills, only a third more. Like I said, it's a pretty disappointing performance (for me personally). Then again, I wasn't FCing v0v. If you like that kind of barroom brawl, more power to you.

Ofc, none of this proves the Eagle to actually be good (since it isn't). It just proves that the side with a coherent fleet composition won out over "bring whateva shields, yo SO RANDUM XD" in spite of a 2 to 1 logistics advantage. You can argue for an Eagle because:

-you don't have any other cruiser V trained
-people think it's worthless and that gets you more fights
-it's something different
-you like the way it looks

Just don't come here claiming, "Eagle is just as good of a HAC as any other" because it's not. Especially not with the introduction of tier 3s which took away it's niche completely (range).
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#28 - 2012-03-05 01:21:29 UTC
You can blasterfit it and bricktank it and hope something falls within scram+web range. If it does youll probobly win with blasters. A ferox works for this too though and is much cheaper and will probobly get you more fights lol
Indeterminacy
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-03-05 01:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Indeterminacy
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Indeterminacy wrote:

btw, we might be talking about different fights cuz...


http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?br=http%3A%2F%2Feve-kill.net%2F%3Fa%3Dkill_related%26kll_id%3D12619411&Nulli_Tertius=blue&Nulli_Secunda=blue&GIANTSBANE_=red&Initiative_Mercenaries=red&Vera_Cruz_Alliance=blue&The_Initiative_=red&BricK_sQuAD_=red&F_RCEFUL_ENTRY=red#assign

Numbers are hard.

My bad on kills, only a third more. Like I said, it's a pretty disappointing performance (for me personally). Then again, I wasn't FCing v0v. If you like that kind of barroom brawl, more power to you.

Ofc, none of this proves the Eagle to actually be good (since it isn't). It just proves that the side with a coherent fleet composition won out over "bring whateva shields, yo SO RANDUM XD" in spite of a 2 to 1 logistics advantage. You can argue for an Eagle because:

-you don't have any other cruiser V trained
-people think it's worthless and that gets you more fights
-it's something different
-you like the way it looks

Just don't come here claiming, "Eagle is just as good of a HAC as any other" because it's not. Especially not with the introduction of tier 3s which took away it's niche completely (range).



Don't be mad. I have each cruiser to V and just like flying different things. Note that I never said "eagle is just as good as anything else" ... I clearly said it's not as good as a muninn and "for the money" is viable. learn2read.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-03-05 04:06:24 UTC
Indeterminacy wrote:
Note that I never said "eagle is just as good as anything else"


Indeterminacy wrote:
But as I said, it's on par with a sniper fit diemost.


v0v
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#31 - 2012-03-05 06:32:57 UTC
I flew active tanked beagle a few times and it's great fun. Could probably do the same thing cheaper in cyclone but beating someone with an eagle is inherently satisfying.
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