EVE General Discussion

Should've continued, see all the replies even tho he posted that. Win.

I think the single most damaging aspect of the current game is the ease with which wealth is accumulated. It used to hurt to get a battleship blown up.

That's the honest answer.

What's this? A well thought out quality post on General Discussion? I'll be damned.

I have to say I agree with the OP in some respects. That sense of wonder and magic you want to come back? Not going to happen, your a vet. I've just managed to convince a friend to join, decided he liked exploration. He found himself a Blood Vigil. No way his punisher was going to tackle it, So in I came. Clearing the site together, thrill of the drop, and it escalated 3 times, we were bouncing around highsec seeing each site following the story with it. My point is, for me it was nothing special. For him? Absolutely hooked him onto the game, all that awe and wonder magic.

Onto the wealth bit. It is indeed a touch out of hand, it is very easy to making insane amounts of money very safely. I'm personally all up for the moving of lv4's out to lowsec, reducing the amount of incursion sites at any given time, or forcing them closed after two days instead of the current dragged out affair it is now. We need more ISK sinks. Decent ones.

Of course if everyone started pewing and blowing more ships up, that would be a good start.

Best moment of being here was when you start as new pilot curple years ago, you posess only small ship and whole game mechanic and this big virual world just push you to discovery it, this is pure fact, every game is cool when you start play, but after curple years is realy hard to find new goals.

Belive me or not but i was in heaven while i got abbility to use my first destroyer i feel so big and strong, now after curple years, i say Meh while i finish multiple weapon rases specialisation to lvl 5.

But even here so meny cons here also a lot pros, EVE is still good game and still worth to play

Let me throw a little high sec prospective to chew on and some ideas.

I fly a Navy Raven and run Missions, lots of them and no I do not find it fun. I have no alts and pay $ for one account. I make billions, currently I have about 25mil in my wallet. Know what I spend all my Cash on, RvB. I buy a bunch of Thorax's, Brutix's, Hurricanes, Drakes, Vexors, Armageddons, Prophecies, Cyclones, Ruptures, Caracals and of course Frigates / Destroyers of every color of the Murder Rainbow and fight with them. When I want to play with a new line of ships I leave RvB and PvE until I have enough to fill my Jita Shopping Bag with every fit that comes out of my head.

Why don't I go Lo-Sec or Null Sec you might ask? I don't log in to often, 1-4 times a week on average and log off whenever I am bored. I usually just accept the standing fleet or make one with a couple of guys and go lookin for trouble. I could not live in an all PvP Environment without an alt to earn the Ships I blow up and Corps that have Space for both PvE and PvP tend to not have round the clock small scale PvP entertainment I look for where I can just log on and murder. I have carved out a pretty simple and casual niche of earning a large amount of ISK then blowing it all up.

Currently Hi-Sec War Decs are not fun. Station Games with unagressed Neutral RR that make small forces unable to counter and tons of Trade Hub Camping. In a High Sec Dec you don't get a ton of fun small gang fights and targets of Decs tend to be of the don't know what they are doing variety that have to compete not against seasoned warriors but experts in loss reduction. People who won't engage without their I Win specialized fleets, RR, superior numbers and omni present watch lists, neutral spy alts and locator agents that give them an incredible advantage against a weakened opponent. No wonder Dec Shields, Alt / Chat Channel Corps and people up and leaving happen because that kind of PvP is unfun even to the people who say lets go fight only to find they suited up for a slaughter against people who fight sideways.

I am neither interested in fighting nor joining these folks and believe me they dec RvB and I almost never see them because I avoid the trade hub and they only enter our combat area once or twice a week. They are plain out unfun. You want an ISK Sink make PvP common in High Sec but what is more make it fun. Their is this often mistaken opinion of the I have 10 Faction Fit Careboats and enough ISK in my wallet to fund a Super Capital High Sec Human Carebot and they exist for sure. But your average casual High Secer lives day to day with maybe a pimped out boat eventually and nothing to do. They don't have the time for the lower sec levels or the alts for it, or the big circle of friends online and ready to form a low sec fleet in their hour or two of loggin time for when they want to PvP and Wars are as stated unfun.

Create casual High Sec PvP that is fun like what RvB does and you will see ISK drop fast on it.

Rank Corporations Kills
1 Blue Republic 2046
2 Red Federation 1593

Rank Alliances Kills
1 RvB - BLUE Republic 2048
2 Goonswarm Federation 1748
3 RvB - RED Federation 1593

Look at that, about two thousand people all told mostly casual and they dropping more murder then the big boys and half of it is in Ships above their T1 Frigate reputation.

But wait you say, sure 2000 People are a lot but why doesn't more players join up. I can give that answer because I lived it. I was in a Corp full of people I liked with my main and only but I took the leap and moved to RvB. When I spent 50% of my time in this Corp I could not just keep joining and leaving my Corp so I said sayonara and went on my merry. Most casual people wouldn't do that, uproot everything in their EVE lives that they have become accustom too. Also poor advertisement as well but the above is the biggest obstacle to those who consider it.

Pretty much any casual player who enjoys PvP would love RvB and why not it is fun. Their are so many Hi-Secers who want to get into PvP but don't have the time or know where to begin. Want PvP in large numbers in High Sec to fight inflation then bring casual PvP to the High Sec masses. Not do you 5 online out of a 20 man Corp feel like going to Lo-Sec just to get 3-4 no not now's and feel it isn't worth it. Not the meta game of War Decs. But casual PvP with enough people to support it without leaving your Corp or Fighting Begins in 24 Hours stuff and you will see Ships destroyed left right and center.

If EVE Runs on War make War and Battles in High Sec accessible and the people who play up there will blow ever sec level of space out of the water for tonnage destroyed. Coaxing the folks who really don't want to move hasn't worked in the past, the drop a can aggro mechanic is just bad and options for war for the average player are bad. The High Sec PvP system is gamed so much that the cheap tricks are now the unfun average. Bring the fun of murder to them, and give them more options to really fight on a constant and casual basis. Fighting is fun in Nullsec because you go rat in your safe space where your not one of only 3 guys the enemy of Alt funded people who don't need to PvE are looking for with 10 guys like when being Dec'd. You have safety to farm your warships and current High sec doesn't give you that, it is all or nothing better have a farm alt prepare for station games stuff. Hell most Low sec / NPC Null Pirates need a farm alt as well, when they need money they can turn to it and play in safety ready to go PvP again.

Make murder a casual event that opt into when you feel like and people will go for it. Don't nerf the current dangers in game but add options that let you and other pilots outside your corp go at it. How I don't know but bring Casual PvP out there and ships will explode where in the past they would not have.

Then stop playing the game.

If they stopped the sale of characters, then there would be fewer high SP characters on active accounts and the problem of SP inflation would be lessened.

If they stopped the PLEX trade, then fewer people would have high sums of ISK to throw at a problem and there would be less ISK inflation.

Really, it's true... but I can see it from both sides... some people use this accumulated isk for pvp. which slowly is drained away again by losing ships... of course most of the isk stays in game (inflation)...

So really I would say it sounds like a good idea to nerf high sec income... move lvl 4 missions to low sec, (make more high sec systems into low sec systems maybe?) it's fine if theres still alot of high sec for mining and doing lvl 3 missions, but the income should be much higher in low/null... incursions... payout should be less than a lvl 4 mission in high sec... it should be between that of a lvl 3 and a lvl 4... but in low/null should remain the same...

that would make the risk/reward much visable in compared to highsec vs lowsec

Putting too much effort into it bro, friendly tip.