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[PI] [CSM] Semi-Automatic Route Specification to reduce mindless setup clicking

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Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#21 - 2012-02-22 12:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
If you do get the devs to look at any of this perhaps also the confusing icons

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72154&find=unread

The whole Tax thing - 5 isk asessed value for a P0 is rediculous only the very rarest even touch that on the market, some run as low as 1 isk (ie if you produce and sell them your paying equivalant 50% tax)

Also there seems to be more than a little interest fo PI on a corp scale, though I haven't really looked at those ideas.

The return on investment of Pocos might be worth looking at, as well as the fact they arent defensable like other POS . Or maybe a baby option 'the orbital storage' for one man setups.

It would also be nice and perhaps would answer the some of the corp PI calls if you could transfer ownership of products at stored in a custom office by private contract. It might also be a nice idea if custom office storage was a hireable thing ie you could buy more storage in the way you rent corp offices, and even have corp storage an option (another approach to the we want to do this as a team problem)

I know this is a kind of random list of things, but thought I'd try and bring you up to speed with what the PI community would like to see happen.

I think now is a good time to push PI considerations as it's an essential part of the DUST tie in and if there is little or no interest on the Podder side then the whole system may fail to be all it could be

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Johann Tollefson
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2012-02-22 12:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Johann Tollefson
I just went through this "adventure" last night setting up a new set of installations. A few thinks I'd like to see.

- When setting up a factory be able to "copy" the setup and "paste" it into the other factories. As it is you click schematic, select schematic, route to storage/spaceport, route raws from location, rinse and repeat.

- Be able to save entire PI setups. For all of my extraction planets the layout is pretty much the same. Being able to plop down a Command Center, upgrade, and paste my setup would be great.

- The order of flow when doing an expedited transfer is reversed from the order when transferring to spaceport. It just feels weird. Launchpad drag flow is from Right to Left, Expedited Transfer drag flow is Left to Right.

- It can be impossible to see other player networks. This needs to blink, or flash, or stand out in some greater manner. Maybe a warning if I drop an extractor on his, "Your extractors are on a neighbors, the efficiency is going to be reduced 25%!"

- Trying to upgrade a short link can be an exercise in futility. Have you ever tried to click a short link between two other facilities? It can be maddening.

- Being able to sell my PI infrastructure would be nice too.

- A PI Collection Officer Position would also be nice. Only role would be to launch goods from spaceport and collect from Customs Office.

- Be able to set taxes on individual items and individual corps. This would allow groups to promote production of certain goods or favor high-tech manufacturing.

-Slow down the rate of depletion. I know, dead horse, but it can be quite ridiculous sometimes. I'd like my facility to be semi-permanent, not just some nomadic tent city that hires itinerant laborers with shovels.

I'm looking forward to the results!
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#23 - 2012-02-22 12:20:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Professor Alphane
I like the idea of being able to sell my network not heard that one before.

And perhaps scaling up the icons of other player facilities may do the trick . (like huge 500-1000% say)

Also if you need an advocate to help you understand the issues and complexaties of the PI gamestyle, as it seems you are entirely new to it.

I would suggest possibly Scrapeyard Bob, Invictus Atreides, Bugsy Halen (possibly wrong last name) , all are posters who have proved there knowledge on the subject in numerous posts here in S&I. (if I didn't mention you sorry those are names that just stand out to me personally of the top of my head).

Obviously I would also volounteer if you needed help drafting, checking data etc. or interpreting technicalities in DEV responses.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-02-23 16:14:54 UTC
Lots of interesting papercuts-level suggestions. Keep them coming!

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#25 - 2012-02-23 16:23:10 UTC
Forgot to add extractor heads to my Crtl-click gropuable list. Oops

Also whose the Dev in charge of PI any chance you could have a word in there shelllike and get them to write a devblog for us.

Subjects that would be interesting to me at least (others may have other suggestions)

-The nodal structure of planets, how size effects this, the thruth of the scanning discrepancies compared to actual extraction (thought to be skills but the inner workings of it), depletion

-The possibility of an API and what it might include

-Dust and PI

-Where CCP see PI going in the short,medium, and longterm

Cheers

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#26 - 2012-02-25 19:32:29 UTC
Further thoughts would be

Superimpose your ships command console when in planetary mode so you can fly while you PI. It is possible but you have to fly by overview only.

Maybe make The sensor range skill to apply to how far from your planet you can do interactions with Colonies as ATM unless you want to do a lot of wide range scanning given you can just query the DB offline find the planet you want fly there and scan it's kind of a redundant skill I feel.

[center]YOU MUST THINK FIRST....[/center] [center]"I sit with the broken angels clutching at straws and nursing our scars.." - Marillion [/center] [center]The wise man watches the rise and fall of fools from afar[/center]
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#27 - 2012-03-04 19:39:07 UTC
Hey what if you had a factory control unit and factory heads just like the extractor control unit and it's extractor heads.

Lets say you wanted to set up 10 factories making construction blocks. You plop down one factory control unit and set it to "construction blocks" then plop down 10 factory heads out of the factory control unit. Now all you need to do is route a bunch of toxic metals and heavy metals to the control unit and route a bunch of construction blocks out of the control unit.


Other than that having all the resources under your circle of what you can put extractor heads on depleting and having to move the entire operation is annoying. Either let me click and drag my entire setup across the planet (for a fee of whatever it costs to build the thing), or make a PI skill that raises the size of that little circle of where you can put extractor heads.


Oh yeah and make a skill that lets me put down more extractor heads. For a lot of planets (even in null) if you are just doing harvesting and basic factory refining, a lot of your factories will just stay idle because you'll never pull down enough volume to keep them busy.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#28 - 2012-03-05 02:15:01 UTC
Lol this thread reminds me why I shouldn't believe a word that comes out of a null seccers mouth and believe he has any Fing interest in High sec issues at all other than to save his precious own self a couple of seconds clicking making his holy POS feul to feul his purile, petty and rediculous addiction to intraweebs spaceships going pew pew or to make sure he retains his seat on CCP's kiss ass corrupt public realtions joke/nightmare.

/rant

Thread dead 2 weeks no word from our oh so freindly community rep. F you CSM and the horse you rode in on.

Also nice threadromancy previous poster Twisted

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