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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-03-02 02:02:38 UTC
Since the AF buff, I have seen the Hawk around a lot more. I've been wanting to try it too, but I just can't seem to figure out any decent fit for it -- or at least, anything that makes flying it instead of the Harpy worth it. It doesn't have the Harpy's tank or DPS, but has one more mid slot. I am tempted to use some form of ewar there, but the cpu is sort of prohibitive for fitting that and a tank.

Any advice?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#2 - 2012-03-02 02:19:50 UTC
I have some ideas, but they're not really that well baked. The biggest problem I see with the Hawk is that its obviously made for utility/tackle instead of DPS. It does that pretty well, though.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
carbomb
Super Team Munkey
#3 - 2012-03-02 10:22:59 UTC
quite like the medium shield booster fit. (not posting for fear of flames P ) if you want it i'll pm u tho.

242dps with a 151 dps tank with standard blue pill. (190 dps overloaded)

ofc harpy can do way more dps (320-380 depending on fit) and with mse fit ur pushing 12k ehp but its a totally dif ship. Thing to remember is missiles never miss (providing they are fast enough and in range ofc) and you have ability to cover all damages.

Personally i've always liked the hawk since they made it a missile boat all those expansions ago. Now its just much better :)
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-02 10:57:48 UTC
Dont let the Hawks apparrent lack of dps make you think it cant do enough - it can

Guns miss and have poor shots etc rockets nail stuff quite consistantly even if its not the most staller volly.

The hawk works pretty great with the medium booster setup mentiopned above, but it can also do a buffy hookbill type thing too, TD is a really nice touch too.

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#5 - 2012-03-02 13:33:40 UTC
It's range is very limited. It's DPS is such that you're guaranteed to have a protracted battle. That's not good if you need to get in and get out. It's shield boost bonus is also not as great as the Harpy's shield resist one. The latter is useful regardless if you want to active or passive tank. The Harpy must active tank to use it's bonus. It's a very niche ship.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#6 - 2012-03-02 16:27:45 UTC
DPS is low but with an expensive small shield booster and cap booster (which is doable now with the extra mid) you can close to perma tank 300 DPS easily.

Almost no other frig will do that DPS, so in a frig vs frig fight you'll come out on top almost everytime. Just takes a fair bit of time...
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2012-03-02 16:59:34 UTC
I have a few ideas for good fits, but how do you manage the cap of a MSB Hawk fit (runs out in < 30 s), or even get that much tank out of a SSB fit?

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#8 - 2012-03-02 18:06:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
The Cap situation isn't nearly as bad as it first sounds like. The Hawk's cap situation isn't overly worse than you can see from my Harpy videos. I'm kinda torn between Navy 200s (twice the cap injection frequency) and Navy 400s because the 400s "overfill" the cap.

-Liang

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Ahrieman
Codex Praedonum
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-03-02 18:48:10 UTC
I personally don't fly the Hawk, but Korg Tronix does and has put a lot of info out there for budding Hawk pilots in the post-AF-buff era.

Here's his blog post regarding his hawk.
http://themabinogion.blogspot.com/2012/02/hawk.html

Here's a video he made recently. His first few fights are in a Hawk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-36e6zDd3dU


This is by no way the only way to fit/fly a Hawk, but should help give you some ideas of what you are capable of in it.

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carbomb
Super Team Munkey
#10 - 2012-03-03 00:38:27 UTC
i personally go for navy 400's. With an ab my cap is 404 so a navy 400 doesn't quite over fill it. ofc with a mwd that would change due to a cap penalty the mwd gives. Personally i still prefer to overcap. nothing worse than fighting ur capacitor aswell as ur oponant lol. I'm just lazy tho
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#11 - 2012-03-03 12:12:47 UTC
Ahrieman wrote:
I personally don't fly the Hawk, but Korg Tronix does and has put a lot of info out there for budding Hawk pilots in the post-AF-buff era.

Here's his blog post regarding his hawk.
http://themabinogion.blogspot.com/2012/02/hawk.html

Here's a video he made recently. His first few fights are in a Hawk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-36e6zDd3dU


This is by no way the only way to fit/fly a Hawk, but should help give you some ideas of what you are capable of in it.


I really should expand on that post with some of the other major fits that i have.

To the OP there are around 5 effective fits, IMO, that work in a large enough number of situations to be worthwhile.
The Dual Web with a MSE buffer should have no problem killing most scram range AFs as the webs help make it fast enough to dictate range and the 250dps you get from the rage rockets can be pretty much fully applied 0-10km.

The Dual web armour fit, basically the same as above with slightly lower dps but the ability to fit a td making sitting at the edge of scram range alot nicer vs. some of the better ranged turret boats (i.e. Wolf)

The SSB/MSE fit is quite nice, same dps as the MSE fit but with one less web. The SSB only really works if its a Gistii b-type however which does make it expensive. With pills and crystals you should hit around 200dps tank with heat.

The MSB fit is basically the SSB fit with a cap booster replacing the MSE. This fit is great for tackling larger ships, you have web scram still and with the booster chucking in cap 400s you shouldn't have to worry about neuts either.

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#12 - 2012-03-03 12:35:48 UTC
I havent flown it post patch but the old buffer fit was amazing.

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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
#13 - 2012-03-03 12:42:31 UTC
Just like most active shield tanked ships, without the T3 ganglink alt and/or Crystals, it will under perform.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#14 - 2012-03-03 12:51:49 UTC
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just like most active shield tanked ships, without the T3 ganglink alt and/or Crystals, it will under perform.

Just like most other bad posters, tired old unfunny comments that just highlight ignorance are worthless.

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BearJews
Order of Extrodinary Gentlemen
#15 - 2012-03-04 07:09:10 UTC
I fit like this, cause it's quite fun and awesome. A bit expensive, but whatever, it really makes the hawk shine.

[Hawk]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Gistii B-Type 1MN Afterburner
Pithi C-Type Small Shield Booster

Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Trauma Rage Rocket
Corpii C-Type Small Nosferatu

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-04 20:09:44 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Patient 2428190 wrote:
Just like most active shield tanked ships, without the T3 ganglink alt and/or Crystals, it will under perform.

Just like most other bad posters, tired old unfunny comments that just highlight ignorance are worthless.


Agreed, its like saying the rifters nothing without a loki.

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Liam Mirren
#17 - 2012-03-04 20:49:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Mirren
Problem with the Hawk is that while there's many logical fits for it they only really work in a specific encounter. The "best" way to fit it, where it's useful in more situations, is buffer fit. I'm a fan of active tanking but to me the active tanked one is too easily countered so MSE+double web+rockets makes the most sense.

If all else fails there's always the dual-prop armour tanked version :)

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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#18 - 2012-03-04 22:03:20 UTC
AB fits tend to be lol but uh.... you could try this if you dont mind running the risk of being kited by slicers or other long range ships. 13k ehp on a frigate is pretty lol

needs a kmb-50 implant

kite stuff at 99km with heated scram and invuln and rockets.

OR: kite at 9km with heated scram and ab against faster targets but no heated invuln means 'only' 12.1k ehp

[Hawk, AB 13k ehp]
Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Ballistic Control System II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
1MN Afterburner II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Invulnerability Field II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
[empty high slot]

Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

I prefer lower ehp and an mwd since I tend to know what I can or cant engage, like to be able to catch things that dont want to be caught and like to be able to burn back to gate under instalock camps but plenty of low sec people swear by (and succeed because of) ab fits.

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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#19 - 2012-03-04 23:31:26 UTC
The problem with the Hawk is that it looks good on paper, but sucks in reality. The bonuses are good (though the boost bonus needs to be changed to resists) and the slot layout is awesome, but it has nowhere near enough CPU or grid to make use of them.

If you fit a MWD, you run out of cap and grid. If you fit an AB you're failfit and die.

If you fit an active tank, you run out of CPU. If you fit a passive tank, you waste a bonus and run out of CPU and grid.

If you fit rockets, you have short range and are extremely vulnerable to being kited. If you fit light missiles, you have horrible dps and you run out of CPU and grid.

If you fit ewar, you run out of CPU.

If you fit for fleet tackle (MWD + long point) you have a Harpy with less dps, less tank, and less range.

If you fit for solo frigate PVP, you die against anything that isn't a solo AB frigate.

Sure, if you're an experienced PvP pilot with all-V skills you can kill stuff in a Hawk, but the real question is why you're flying one in the first place. Unless your goal is "make PvP videos in a Hawk" other ships do the job better.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#20 - 2012-03-04 23:48:09 UTC
One damn good reason is people go 'lol hawk'

I've had plenty of success in a variety of engagements in hawks pre-patch. The problem is people now trying to fit too much to it with the extra mid it now has.

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