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CCP's Gallente overhaul gone too far... real railgun!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#1 - 2012-03-04 22:36:52 UTC
Welll, i can't but praise CCP's commitment to improving Galllente gameplay by improving their weapons...

They just hired BAE Systems to build a real-life electromagnetic railgun that shots a 18kg projectile at some 2500 m/s, with a impact energy of 32 gigajoules. They're covering it as a US Navy project, but don't be fooled, it's CCP behind the scenes...

Real Navy railgun test shot

(In case you wonder where do come from those flames if the weapon doesn't uses any explosive, well, apparently those flames are overheated air from inside the barrel)
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2012-03-04 22:59:12 UTC
Yeah, it's been around for a while

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Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-05 19:36:06 UTC
For those of you uninformed.
Thats the production version in the first post.
The second link features the prototype which fired over a thousand times without melting rails.
Currently the gun can safely deheat every 20 seconds or so giving it a firing rate of 3 times a minute.

So progress definetly as long as Obama doesn't cancel it.

-Vix

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Yoma Karima
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-03-06 01:54:31 UTC
And their puiting it on this guy. (mind you wiki was the only sight that had the ships wepons in the artical)

The DDG 1000.

the two 155mm guns are to be replace with the railguns as soon as the U.S. develops an air burst triger that can survive the accel created by the gun.

the thing also has 80 VLS missils, so it's actualy more Caldari than Gallente

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leviticus ander
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-03-06 07:03:27 UTC
Yoma Karima wrote:
And their puiting it on this guy. (mind you wiki was the only sight that had the ships wepons in the artical)

wow, that boat looks terrible. why would they have walls on it that would be nearly perpendicular to the trajectory of pretty much anything coming in. they should have dropped more of the stuff below decks to have a lower slant on the top and if they were to do that, in order to make up the space, broaden the top of the hull to get a lower angle going into the water too.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#6 - 2012-03-06 07:44:12 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:
And their puiting it on this guy. (mind you wiki was the only sight that had the ships wepons in the artical)

wow, that boat looks terrible. why would they have walls on it that would be nearly perpendicular to the trajectory of pretty much anything coming in. they should have dropped more of the stuff below decks to have a lower slant on the top and if they were to do that, in order to make up the space, broaden the top of the hull to get a lower angle going into the water too.


I guess they plan firing lasers at incoming projectiles...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_electron_laser

Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-03-06 09:54:47 UTC
Stellar Vix wrote:
For those of you uninformed.
Thats the production version in the first post.
The second link features the prototype which fired over a thousand times without melting rails.
Currently the gun can safely deheat every 20 seconds or so giving it a firing rate of 3 times a minute.

So progress definetly as long as Obama doesn't cancel it.

-Vix



What's your source on the 1000+ shots for the railgun?

That's quite a big leap as normally rails (at least, DIY ones) only last for 2-3 shots at a push.

I ask because alongside actually powering it (easy for the US Navy with their nuclear powered vessels), rail degredation is the biggest hurdle for working rail guns.


(NB, if it were a coilgun, which is a different type of EM weapon, I could easily believe 1000+ shots, but it's not a coilgun)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2012-03-06 10:10:03 UTC
The UK is working on a railgun for a tankTwisted
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-06 20:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Stellar Vix
I wished I can find the source Naval Research Press Releases are like... needles in the hay stack to refind. I would recommend trying the developing companies involved. I belive it was the press release declaring they are about to start to construct the production version and mentioned about the power system.

Zimwalts are one of the better designed ships. Radar wise it doesnt return the upside down T which is so critical for most anti ship cruise missiles use to track thier targets, and depending how they want to go about with her would ultimately determine what she can and can't do but sofar now no hulls been built.

Chances are the Zimwalts will be trimerian hulled, new generation hull coatings, advanced control links, drone bay, Radar asorbing top side. Improved venting.

My ultimate question is however is, how will it stand up to sea water I doubt this stuff is heat resiliant never wet

-Vix

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-03-06 20:20:32 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
(NB, if it were a coilgun, which is a different type of EM weapon, I could easily believe 1000+ shots, but it's not a coilgun)



totally unrelated note, I can see coilguns becoming the next handguns while railguns will become the new cannon/artillery weapons, since coilguns, while more reliable and easier to carry about, need to have an extremely long chain of coils to achieve the same projectile speed as a railgun.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#11 - 2012-03-06 20:37:58 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Stellar Vix wrote:
For those of you uninformed.
Thats the production version in the first post.
The second link features the prototype which fired over a thousand times without melting rails.
Currently the gun can safely deheat every 20 seconds or so giving it a firing rate of 3 times a minute.

So progress definetly as long as Obama doesn't cancel it.

-Vix



What's your source on the 1000+ shots for the railgun?

That's quite a big leap as normally rails (at least, DIY ones) only last for 2-3 shots at a push.

I ask because alongside actually powering it (easy for the US Navy with their nuclear powered vessels), rail degredation is the biggest hurdle for working rail guns.


(NB, if it were a coilgun, which is a different type of EM weapon, I could easily believe 1000+ shots, but it's not a coilgun)



Rail degradation is usually the result of a massive current running through rails that can't handle it. I kind of liken it to loading a cannon with powder, the more you use, the more damage it will do to the firing device. There are plenty of University made rail guns that last for dozens of firings once the class gets the right output going.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-06 22:34:05 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Rail degradation is usually the result of a massive current running through rails that can't handle it. I kind of liken it to loading a cannon with powder, the more you use, the more damage it will do to the firing device. There are plenty of University made rail guns that last for dozens of firings once the class gets the right output going.



right output and right materialsBlink

granted however, friction heat is also one of the major problems, but that's nothing that a decent cooling system can't resolve.

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Izziee
University of Izziee
#13 - 2012-03-06 22:42:08 UTC
leviticus ander wrote:
Yoma Karima wrote:
And their puiting it on this guy. (mind you wiki was the only sight that had the ships wepons in the artical)

wow, that boat looks terrible. why would they have walls on it that would be nearly perpendicular to the trajectory of pretty much anything coming in. they should have dropped more of the stuff below decks to have a lower slant on the top and if they were to do that, in order to make up the space, broaden the top of the hull to get a lower angle going into the water too.


Typical caldari design.
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-10 12:18:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Rail degradation is usually the result of a massive current running through rails that can't handle it. I kind of liken it to loading a cannon with powder, the more you use, the more damage it will do to the firing device. There are plenty of University made rail guns that last for dozens of firings once the class gets the right output going.


It's half and half.

Rail degredation is not due to general heat/current as such, it's down to arcing, which erodes the rail surface. From my knowledge, there's always going to be some arcing, it's just a question of how much.

Personally, although possibly expensive, I forsee the stopgap to a combat usable system being the projectiles coming with their own length of rail in one "shell", as you don't actually need a big rail to get the projectiles up to speed, especially if you're only designing it for one shot before replacing it.



Grimpak wrote:
totally unrelated note, I can see coilguns becoming the next handguns while railguns will become the new cannon/artillery weapons, since coilguns, while more reliable and easier to carry about, need to have an extremely long chain of coils to achieve the same projectile speed as a railgun.


Mebbe. Not too sure though as I think it's going to require some more exotic materials than current firearms are made of which might make them far too expensive to make, not to mention massive advances in capacitance, battery and miniturised power generation in order to even get close to chemical reaction based weapons in temrs of energy efficiency.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-10 14:08:48 UTC
Buzzmong wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
totally unrelated note, I can see coilguns becoming the next handguns while railguns will become the new cannon/artillery weapons, since coilguns, while more reliable and easier to carry about, need to have an extremely long chain of coils to achieve the same projectile speed as a railgun.


Mebbe. Not too sure though as I think it's going to require some more exotic materials than current firearms are made of which might make them far too expensive to make, not to mention massive advances in capacitance, battery and miniturised power generation in order to even get close to chemical reaction based weapons in temrs of energy efficiency.



well it took us some 600+ years in firearms development to reach today's level. EM weapons are really quite infant still in comparison.

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#16 - 2012-03-12 04:56:13 UTC
So was that firing Iron Charge L, Tungsten Charge L, Lead Charge L?

Pretty sure it won't be Antimatter that they're firing.

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