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Candidate Question: Communication

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Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-03-04 15:19:29 UTC
Hey there,

Following from my question on new player engagement I wanted to ask a few questions of the candidates.

Player engagement.

If elected to the CSM you will be representing all the players. What mechanisms will you be using to get the feelings of the player base?

Will you have mechanisms for players to contact you?


Proposals:

Many players have interesting ideas/proposals that they would like you to champion. Do you have an idea on how players can send these to you if elected?

Do you have a standard format for proposals?

As you can see, player contact and engagement is something I think is an important part of the process.

Thank you for your time.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-04 15:22:28 UTC
Importance of player communication and views

FYI: Existing post that seems to cover the points you wish to discuss.
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-03-04 15:25:12 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Importance of player communication and views

FYI: Existing post that seems to cover the points you wish to discuss.


I did see that post, thank you. Although I was hoping to cover practical aspects as opposed to the importance given to player views (Which is also important in its own right)

The worst engagement strategies have ha no route for people to contact their representatives, hence the worry that some of the CSM may not have ways people can contact them.

I think i shall post on your thread as well.

Thanks.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-03-04 15:32:59 UTC
Vincent VanDamme wrote:
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Importance of player communication and views

FYI: Existing post that seems to cover the points you wish to discuss.


I did see that post, thank you. Although I was hoping to cover practical aspects as opposed to the importance given to player views (Which is also important in its own right)

The worst engagement strategies have ha no route for people to contact their representatives, hence the worry that some of the CSM may not have ways people can contact them.

I think i shall post on your thread as well.

Thanks.


As you wish, though not opposed to you also wishing to air opinions and eloborate on the discussion as desired. Might be preferable than having duplicate debate occuring. Leave it at your discretion however.
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-03-04 15:34:43 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Vincent VanDamme wrote:
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Importance of player communication and views

FYI: Existing post that seems to cover the points you wish to discuss.


I did see that post, thank you. Although I was hoping to cover practical aspects as opposed to the importance given to player views (Which is also important in its own right)

The worst engagement strategies have ha no route for people to contact their representatives, hence the worry that some of the CSM may not have ways people can contact them.

I think i shall post on your thread as well.

Thanks.


As you wish, though not opposed to you also wishing to air opinions and eloborate on the discussion as desired. Might be preferable than having duplicate debate occuring. Leave it at your discretion however.


I was worried as it looks like your point seems to have been derailed, which happens all too often.
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
#6 - 2012-03-04 15:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Celgar Thurn
As in real life (President Assad - Syria, Saddam Hussien - Iraq, Colonel Gaddafi - Libya, ________, Iran. etc) nul sec alliance leaders/spokesmen, whom the majority of CSM 7 no doubt will be, will look to their tribes/alliances needs first. It would be nice if your proposal was enacted but true democracy has not happened in any society since the Greeks invented it. It's probable that humans are too greedy for it ever take place in New Eden or anywhere else.

On a more practical note if any non nul seccers such as the EVE Uni candidate do manage to get a place in the CSM I suggest you forward your ideas via EVE mail to them personally.

PS Why can Mr Hussien's christian name not be printed here? What?
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-04 15:46:52 UTC
Celgar Thurn wrote:
As in real life (President Assad - Syria, ****** Hussien - Iraq, Colonel Gaddafi - Libya, ________, Iran. etc) nul sec alliance leaders/spokesmen, whom the majority of CSM 7 no doubt will be, will look to their tribes/alliances needs first. It would be nice if your proposal was enacted but true democracy has not happened in any society since the Greeks invented it. It's probable that humans are too greedy for it ever take place in New Eden or anywhere else.

On a more practical note if any non nul seccers such as the EVE Uni candidate do manage to get a place in the CSM I suggest you forward your ideas via EVE mail to them personally.

PS Why can Mr Hussien's christian name not be printed here? What?


I was hoping not, that the RL aspect might override the need to "Win".

Thanks fro your thoughts anyway, and its a good idea.
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#8 - 2012-03-04 15:59:33 UTC
Well I know Seleene you just mail with your questions and remarks and he reads and replies if needed.

Trebor also is communicative.

Mittens I never tried to mail, but that is mainly because I see no reason to mail someone I don't want in the CSM anyways.
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2012-03-04 16:50:42 UTC
I personally ask people to eve-mail me or convo me if they have a certain question, comment, or criticism. Luckily I'm not high-profile enough to get my inbox filled with spam, only interesting ideas (sometimes also terrible ideas)

~
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#10 - 2012-03-04 17:03:24 UTC
Elise Randolph wrote:
I personally ask people to eve-mail me or convo me if they have a certain question, comment, or criticism. Luckily I'm not high-profile enough to get my inbox filled with spam, only interesting ideas (sometimes also terrible ideas)


The real terrible idea's are the ones people don't dare to bring forward out of fear of being ridiculed.
I for one stay away from technical stuff. Mainly because my english isn't good enough to explain what I mean. So the language barrier is a huge factor.
I can't run for a CSM seat because I know I am prejudiced towards certain groups and as such all I can and will do is endorse the candidate who covers most of my points of vieuw and I also hold in atleast some regards.

I want someone who loves the game and wants to improve the game in all aspects, not just the ones they dabble in.
Someone who responds to the gutfeelings of the playerbase and not someone who plays the gutfeelings game.
You have to be accessable and mature enough to leave people in their value and not stamp your own value's onto them.

So that is why I vote Seleene.
This given Elise and Trebor are damn close seconds for me.
Korvin
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
#11 - 2012-03-04 17:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Korvin
In my opinion, all CSM proposals should be discussed in public.
Every player have its own opinion considering his personal views, and have the right to defend his point of view.

At the same time, I want to see the public discussion of the proposal by CSM members, and an open public voting, like it was before CSM6.
If there is a part of NDA affected discussion, that need to stay closed, this part should be cut off with the remark "Cut because of NDA".
I also want to see a more transparent CCP policy, where those NDA cuts would be an exception, not the rule.

If any player want his proposal to be picked by a particular candidate, he can also mail the link to a public discussion topic, asking to pay attention to it.

Member of CSM 4&5 ... &8
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#12 - 2012-03-04 21:17:40 UTC
In my case EVE mail has always worked fine for those contacting me for whatever reason. It's harder to miss a mail than a thread reply, too.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-04 21:20:02 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
In my case EVE mail has always worked fine for those contacting me for whatever reason. It's harder to miss a mail than a thread reply, too.


With Eve gate, Eve mail has become a whole lot easier. So this is a pretty good idea.

Good luck with your CSM run.
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#14 - 2012-03-05 01:17:21 UTC
Vincent VanDamme wrote:
With Eve gate, Eve mail has become a whole lot easier.


Pretty much this. As I said in a similar thread (blatant copy & paste), the best method is the most direct - eve mail. Over the course of CSM 6 I had several issues brought to my attention via direct contact. This can be something as simple as, "Hey, check out this forum thread." to entire packets of information / proposals. I try to reply to every CSM-related evemail I get and, on some issues, even take the discussion to a Skype chat.

Don't be shy about contacting a member of the CSM, especially if you voted for them.Smile

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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#15 - 2012-03-05 01:58:53 UTC  |  Edited by: T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Vincent VanDamme wrote:
Hey there,

Following from my question on new player engagement I wanted to ask a few questions of the candidates.

Player engagement.

If elected to the CSM you will be representing all the players. What mechanisms will you be using to get the feelings of the player base?

Will you have mechanisms for players to contact you?


Proposals:

Many players have interesting ideas/proposals that they would like you to champion. Do you have an idea on how players can send these to you if elected?

Do you have a standard format for proposals?

As you can see, player contact and engagement is something I think is an important part of the process.

Thank you for your time.



Hi Vincent, I have a voting/ crowdsourcining tool in developement for this very purpose which uses basic api to verify participants which I'm hoping to release apon gaining a CSM position. :) Part of this site pertains to ideas and features but I'm not sure as yet how to execute this part and I'm open to ideas. The main problem facing this project other than getting it released is making it meaningful and useful aswell as stopping troll votes (impossible sadly). Unless it's supported by the majority of CSM members some marketing will definately be necessary on top of everything else.

Regards,
T'amber

www.shipsofeve.com
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-05 19:35:24 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Vincent VanDamme wrote:
With Eve gate, Eve mail has become a whole lot easier.


Pretty much this. As I said in a similar thread (blatant copy & paste), the best method is the most direct - eve mail. Over the course of CSM 6 I had several issues brought to my attention via direct contact. This can be something as simple as, "Hey, check out this forum thread." to entire packets of information / proposals. I try to reply to every CSM-related evemail I get and, on some issues, even take the discussion to a Skype chat.

Don't be shy about contacting a member of the CSM, especially if you voted for them.Smile


Awesome. Thank you for this. Just knowing this sort of engagement exists maeks me very positive about the whole CSM process.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-05 22:10:09 UTC
Prior to CSM6 it was much much easier to see what was going on so you knew who was representing and who wasn't. I hope against hope that the next csm will return to that simpler time of archic things like 'having meetings' and 'minutes' so we have a clue as to who is working and what they are working on.

I have been following and trying to report on the CSM for years, from the outside looking in.

If Elected I would try to (within the constraints of the NDA) to help other players also have a clue as to what was going on and make this a representative body once again.

m

Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)/¯
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#18 - 2012-03-05 22:27:37 UTC
I see no issue at hand.
Even though Seleene, Trebor and Meissa might not be representing your personal issues they are approachable.

They will take you serious if you have concerns and they will try to respond as fast as possible. Be it given that if several people mail the same concern, idea or issue they might use another means to give their responce other than EvEmail.

The thing I prefer in them as to Goonswarm members is the fact that you aren't regarded as a pubie, sperg or aspie when you put stuff forward they don't benefit from in some way.
Mittens proclaims himself as the great manipulator and saviour of EVE, yet a very large part of EVE holds no regards for him at all but even goes as far as utterly despising him.

He prides himself as having very good communications skills yet when looking at the forums to his various replies to people we mainly see insults and namecalling towards those who don't agree with him or even opose him.
If someone is gifted with communicative skills that is the second last retort, the last being violence.
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-03-06 05:54:15 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
Prior to CSM6 it was much much easier to see what was going on so you knew who was representing and who wasn't. I hope against hope that the next csm will return to that simpler time of archic things like 'having meetings' and 'minutes' so we have a clue as to who is working and what they are working on.

I have been following and trying to report on the CSM for years, from the outside looking in.

If Elected I would try to (within the constraints of the NDA) to help other players also have a clue as to what was going on and make this a representative body once again.

m



It wasn't an intentional, but the new format of a constant skype channel makes having formal meetings obsolete. By the time it would be time to have a meeting we've already discussed everything. Not the answer you're looking for, but there it is.
Vincent VanDamme
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-03-06 10:18:40 UTC
Vile rat wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Prior to CSM6 it was much much easier to see what was going on so you knew who was representing and who wasn't. I hope against hope that the next csm will return to that simpler time of archic things like 'having meetings' and 'minutes' so we have a clue as to who is working and what they are working on.

I have been following and trying to report on the CSM for years, from the outside looking in.

If Elected I would try to (within the constraints of the NDA) to help other players also have a clue as to what was going on and make this a representative body once again.

m



It wasn't an intentional, but the new format of a constant skype channel makes having formal meetings obsolete. By the time it would be time to have a meeting we've already discussed everything. Not the answer you're looking for, but there it is.


Would it be possible to get some bullet points on the Skyype channel talking points? Just a one liner like

"The CSM present talked about the Technetium issue with moon mining, but were unable to come up with a solution at this time. Action item: Look at forums for suggestions to pass to CCP"

Just as an idea.

Its nice to know the CSM have a good open talking relationship! Thanks for replying.
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