Jita Park Speakers Corner

At this stage I'm trying to judge which candidates view player opinion as relevant to themselves and in what context. It's also an opportunity to see which candidates are in fact open to be approached on issues and wether or not they have in fact done any preparitory work for candidancy as an awareness of it being relevant to them.

I pretty much already had dispondant views and was already apathetic to the use of the AH personally and would simply use other forums to raise points to CCP anyhow.

So far the common theme emerging in this thread seems to be that lobbying is the way forward.

The people that post with alts are still subscribers you know.. or i am wrong ?

Make that bleating of your's your forum sig and spare us from the macro you are using to post the same line over and over.

It makes you look as a real dumb person if 99% of your posts anywhere only has one and the same line.

So why are the CSM minutes anonymous? If they were staking their reputations then at least the views of significance that we see in them would be identifiable. But they are not. So they have some editorial control as to which points and how they present their views officially.

We know that's it due to CCP afording them drama avoidance, or so we are led to believe. So if drama avoidance is so significant an issue it only seems logical that people make use of NPC alts to voice concerns to similarly avoid meta idiots who would use IG tactics as their method of finding a resolution to points rather than debating on the forum.

As such I don't think my gameplay should suffer as a result of other idiots not liking my opinions about game issues. And I guess democracy shouldn't be about bullying others into submission either. If anything it might be that the politics of the game are removed from the argument. Especially when certain CSM members will simply attempt to dismiss opnion based on your affiliations or status as opposed to actually being engaged in the points being made.

I do understand the issue of seeing who is making what claims, and can appreciate there is more conviction from someone who uses their main but political intelligence for self awareness shouldn't come before ideas and points. So in this way NPC also removes any pre-conceived notions of predjudice people may have. The end point being it's still a player making those points and as such they have valid opinions to be made. The simple action of dismissing these concerns simply shows ignorance and conceit to those players as a result.

I'm not trying to paint anything about CSM candidates, it's a fact, its been admitted to as to the purpose of the CSM minutes being annonymous that it's due to drama avoidance.

I also find it reprehensible that Goons in the way that they have a tendency to manipulate the truth, missrepresent posts, disregard views, form unsupported claims, troll with irrelvant commentary, insult and degrade others opinions or personality. Or just general threadnaught from a perpective that perceived popularity is more important than actual debating content. Presumably because they also have an "agenda" of course. Maybe some of these issues should be addressed with more vigour than simply wanting to get some free intel.

It also seems to be Goons in the main who hold this contempt for NPC posters and specifically against those who don't conform to fanboi posts of course. And yet the majority of the other candidates seem to be able to discuss topics without paranoia or assuming a hidden agenda in the main. Not that I'm saying they aren't aware to identities.

Oh i also forgot, "the manipulation of posts to an alterntive topic than the one being discussed" in the above list.

As such as a curtesy to the Candidates and players can we talk about addressing the original point.

Maybe ask Nicolo to promote his propoganda in a seperate thread about NPC alts if you want to debate this topic in detail? As presently I don't see any official ruling for this forum suggesting I cannot post using an NPC alt.

That didn't quite worked to my main when I tried to contact Meissa Anunthiel (to whom I gave 2 votes into CSM 6) on the WiS threadnaught.

Looking back, maybe i didn't time my evemail too well, as Meissa had sent an all-contacts message that he was back to business, so probably my message got swept away by a hundred corporation messages (although I seriously wonder how many mails in Spanish does he get in a year).

That made me think a bit later that it can be tricky to contact a person who is actively engaged with his ingame buddies, unless that person provides a very clear non-buddy way to contact him about the CSM.

NPC alt complaining about anonymity lmao what a nobody

CSm gets to push issues the players have voted on and as a sense check for CCP. CSM members don't bring there own ideas to CCP for inclusion in the game, it doesn't work that way.

Think of the CSM as the representatives of players, the guys who sit at the table and represent us as stake holders.

Way to show some conviction there champ.