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One EVE, One Vote, One Chairman: Why You Should Vote For The Mittani For CSM

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#381 - 2012-02-26 19:44:39 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Tetragammatron Prime wrote:
vote mittani if you like donge in your butte

The Mittani is extremely gay-friendly.

Someone link that TEST video of the coercers with the many colored lazers..

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#382 - 2012-02-26 20:06:59 UTC
i was in a gay nightclub last night, no lie

only problem: not many actual gays present. it's madison's only really good dance club, and it was full of fat hetero female asian university students for some mysterious reason

~hi~
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#383 - 2012-02-26 20:13:22 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
i was in a gay nightclub last night, no lie

only problem: not many actual gays present. it's madison's only really good dance club, and it was full of fat hetero female asian university students for some mysterious reason

Sounds like they got into the wrong niche. Or not, since it got people in regardless...

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The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#384 - 2012-02-26 20:17:14 UTC
High Heel wrote:
Mittens:

Why you hate Titans and SuperC's So much?
Do they make you angry cause you can't afford them or what is it?

Why do you want to limit the game to subSupercap warfare?
That is basically saying 400 VS 500. the ones whit 500 wins.
So you are basicly supporting larger and larger fleetfights?


what does the Center for Advanced Studies care about supercaps?

or are you just afraid to speak your opinions openly?

~hi~
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#385 - 2012-02-26 20:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Forum alt?

Clearly supercaps are very advanced, being the endgame of EVE Online.

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Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#386 - 2012-03-03 13:14:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikalia Sunstorm
Weaselior wrote:

While I regret that a frank exchange of ideas has reduced you to this state, I do appreciate your honesty in laying bare the real differences between The Mittani and other competitors, such as your preferred candidate Hans. People who support The Mittani are well-educated goodposters who coherently and intelligently discuss the important issues and work with all parties in eve willing to cross the lines that divide us to work as one to make EVE better. And, while it would be unfair to tar Hans himself as having written such a post, we must keep in mind the character of poster he has attracted, who would post such vitrol and hate, while freely and openly stating that you are unable and unwilling to back up your preferred candidate with calm, coherent reasoning.

The CSM is a body that must work together with people of opposing viewpoints, and it is clear The Mittani has had a stellar track record in this regard. In contrast, we must note the tribalist nature of the opposition where candidates are supported not on their own merits, but merely as "the anti-goon". And, when necessary, the CSM must be willing to openly and coherently explain why ideas are flawed and unworkable. Goons, The Mittani, and The Mittani supporters are able to coherently do this without needing to resort to petty name-calling. Those opposing The Mittani, well, we need only look at the above post.


Oh my God, you are...

such.
A pompous.
Ass!

I mean, really! Sanctimonious gas-bag, get the f over yourself, already.

Pro-Tip:

Verbosity works better if used sparingly. Overuse of same just makes you look like a pretentious fool--Or even more so, in your case.

Pardon me, but I'm Caldari: What's "armour?"
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#387 - 2012-03-04 00:36:26 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Do the goons have any good PLEX selling ideas, or combos or something?

The power of two advertisement today, was a heavy tease and wonder if you guys have some heavy teases as well to lay down.


Are you implying that we would abuse the power of two promotion to get more votes for Chairman For Life Mittani?



You mean, just like the last time?

Who'd'a thunk, eh? Roll

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#388 - 2012-03-04 01:36:14 UTC
ILikeMarkets wrote:
lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread? The goons will vote for him. There are enough goons for him to win. Others might vote for him just to have someone to keep making fun of... but at the end of the day, this is really a moot point. Mittens WILL win because the goons WILL vote for him.



There was an interesting point made on eve radio last night. Of the 5.something thousand votes the mittani received, only about 1700 came from goons and their accounts.

We do a clever forums based vote allocation you see, and part of being provided with links to our candidate (Vile rat or mittani) also runs an exit poll on how many accounts you are voting with. Assume that these exit poll numbers are a bit wrong, goons are really ******* dumb, so I could happily accept that up to 2.5k votes for Mittens were from goons. That means that the majority of his votes came from outside his block, and I believe it would have been enough to have seen him on the council, as a member, without a single goon vote.

Vote for Mittens threads exist because there are a bunch of undecided voters to be fought over and he actually cares about more than just securing a free trip to Iceland. This alone should tell you that he is a better candidate than many of his opponents.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#389 - 2012-03-04 01:56:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Delici Feelgood
Ntrails wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread? The goons will vote for him. There are enough goons for him to win. Others might vote for him just to have someone to keep making fun of... but at the end of the day, this is really a moot point. Mittens WILL win because the goons WILL vote for him.



There was an interesting point made on eve radio last night. Of the 5.something thousand votes the mittani received, only about 1700 came from goons and their accounts.

We do a clever forums based vote allocation you see, and part of being provided with links to our candidate (Vile rat or mittani) also runs an exit poll on how many accounts you are voting with. Assume that these exit poll numbers are a bit wrong, goons are really ******* dumb, so I could happily accept that up to 2.5k votes for Mittens were from goons. That means that the majority of his votes came from outside his block, and I believe it would have been enough to have seen him on the council, as a member, without a single goon vote.

Vote for Mittens threads exist because there are a bunch of undecided voters to be fought over and he actually cares about more than just securing a free trip to Iceland. This alone should tell you that he is a better candidate than many of his opponents.


Though when you consider the number of alts goon might have in play (or padded accounts for voting) and that there are over 700k+ valid subscribed accounts it really kind of makes those figures quite indeterminate of complete player opinion. Especially when you look at that representation as being less than 1 percent of all accounts. Shows the level of interest afforded to CSM perhaps more than player approval of Goons, which we know will have been actively rallied to vote.
The Mittani
State War Academy
Caldari State
#390 - 2012-03-04 02:02:52 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Ntrails wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread? The goons will vote for him. There are enough goons for him to win. Others might vote for him just to have someone to keep making fun of... but at the end of the day, this is really a moot point. Mittens WILL win because the goons WILL vote for him.



There was an interesting point made on eve radio last night. Of the 5.something thousand votes the mittani received, only about 1700 came from goons and their accounts.

We do a clever forums based vote allocation you see, and part of being provided with links to our candidate (Vile rat or mittani) also runs an exit poll on how many accounts you are voting with. Assume that these exit poll numbers are a bit wrong, goons are really ******* dumb, so I could happily accept that up to 2.5k votes for Mittens were from goons. That means that the majority of his votes came from outside his block, and I believe it would have been enough to have seen him on the council, as a member, without a single goon vote.

Vote for Mittens threads exist because there are a bunch of undecided voters to be fought over and he actually cares about more than just securing a free trip to Iceland. This alone should tell you that he is a better candidate than many of his opponents.


Though when you consider the number of alts goon might have in play (or padded accounts for voting) and that there are over 700k+ valid subscribed accounts it really kind of makes those figures quite indeterminate of complete player opinion. Especially when you look at that representation as being less than 1 percent of all accounts. Shows the level of interest afforded to CSM perhaps more than player approval of Goons, which we know will have been actively rallied to vote.


ahahaha the npc alt thinks that you can vote once per character instead of once per account

wow

even for an altposter that's just sad

~hi~
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#391 - 2012-03-04 02:16:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Delici Feelgood
The Mittani wrote:
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Ntrails wrote:
ILikeMarkets wrote:
lol why even bother posting a "Vote for Mittens" thread? The goons will vote for him. There are enough goons for him to win. Others might vote for him just to have someone to keep making fun of... but at the end of the day, this is really a moot point. Mittens WILL win because the goons WILL vote for him.



There was an interesting point made on eve radio last night. Of the 5.something thousand votes the mittani received, only about 1700 came from goons and their accounts.

We do a clever forums based vote allocation you see, and part of being provided with links to our candidate (Vile rat or mittani) also runs an exit poll on how many accounts you are voting with. Assume that these exit poll numbers are a bit wrong, goons are really ******* dumb, so I could happily accept that up to 2.5k votes for Mittens were from goons. That means that the majority of his votes came from outside his block, and I believe it would have been enough to have seen him on the council, as a member, without a single goon vote.

Vote for Mittens threads exist because there are a bunch of undecided voters to be fought over and he actually cares about more than just securing a free trip to Iceland. This alone should tell you that he is a better candidate than many of his opponents.


Though when you consider the number of alts goon might have in play (or padded accounts for voting) and that there are over 700k+ valid subscribed accounts it really kind of makes those figures quite indeterminate of complete player opinion. Especially when you look at that representation as being less than 1 percent of all accounts. Shows the level of interest afforded to CSM perhaps more than player approval of Goons, which we know will have been actively rallied to vote.


ahahaha the npc alt thinks that you can vote once per character instead of once per account

wow

even for an altposter that's just sad


Oops that was a serious faux pas. Apologies for reading that stat too quickly.

Fair enough, considering the maximum number of characters per account is 3. Lets change the appropriate representative figure. It now suggests at best a representation of about 2.2 percent.

I think this still validates the point I made quite nicely.

*exits stage left, with bright red cheeks to find a coffee pot*
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#392 - 2012-03-04 02:27:50 UTC
You still miss the point. The exit polls represent the numbers of accounts which goons voted with, and I was generous to the contrarian view about how inaccurate they might be. My first point was that last election he gained more votes from non-goon accounts than from goons, and that the non-goon votes alone were enough to elect him. Which implies any dismissal of him as a bloc candidate is unwise.

My other point was that this thread exists because dear leader is pursuing more votes than merely the minimum number needed for a free trip to Iceland. He is engaging with sections of the player community for no reason beyond that of a politician aiming to claim a mandate, a strong following, that can be leveraged in negotiations.

Questions about the legitimacy of a CSM voted in by say 10% of all accounts are best directed to CCP, but it is not a large task to vote. It is not a large task to follow the links on the login screen informing you about the CSM elections/meetings/minutes etc. If a player is not doing so, well decisions are made by those who show up. I would love to see more high sec corps getting their members mobilised, a motd in all NPC corp chats, and other measures to up the participation. But that is irrelevant to this post and this candidate, as it is a reflection on process
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#393 - 2012-03-04 02:35:13 UTC
It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.

Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.

But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures.
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#394 - 2012-03-04 02:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ntrails
Delici Feelgood wrote:
It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.

Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.

But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures.



It is not a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.

It might be a reflection on how important players view the CSM to be?

A relative mandate is all that matters. When 30% of the country bother to vote, and 17% of those create a majoriy in parliament, the mandate is clear. Out of all the ******* who voted, we got the most. A politician attempts to engage and motivate people to become his own followers to get a bigger share of the people who vote. If I convince 5% more to vote at all, then I gain a massive proportion of the final tally. Thus I attempt to engage.

It is in every candidates best interest to engage with as many previous non voters as possible (though stealing votes from your opponents is slightly better), in terms of fighting apathy. There is also an onus on CCP to do more. I would be interested to see the % of active accounts with even a single post on these forums. Perhaps a whole histogram. Because there will always be a bunch of players who don't want to post, who don't want to engage, and don't want to do anything except play with their internet spaceships. I figure that is perfectly reasonable too.

But again, you are attacking a single candidate when it is a question of process.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#395 - 2012-03-04 03:15:10 UTC
Ntrails wrote:
Delici Feelgood wrote:
It's also a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.

Be interesting to see if apathy was alleviated how the situation would change.

But suffice to say, the so called importance of a mandate of the CSM and chair that the Mittani likes to express can easily be shown as "hype" when you see the actual figures.



It is not a reflection on how important it is that the CSM represents player views.

It might be a reflection on how important players view the CSM to be?

A relative mandate is all that matters. When 30% of the country bother to vote, and 17% of those create a majoriy in parliament, the mandate is clear. Out of all the ******* who voted, we got the most. A politician attempts to engage and motivate people to become his own followers to get a bigger share of the people who vote. If I convince 5% more to vote at all, then I gain a massive proportion of the final tally. Thus I attempt to engage.

It is in every candidates best interest to engage with as many previous non voters as possible (though stealing votes from your opponents is slightly better), in terms of fighting apathy. There is also an onus on CCP to do more. I would be interested to see the % of active accounts with even a single post on these forums. Perhaps a whole histogram. Because there will always be a bunch of players who don't want to post, who don't want to engage, and don't want to do anything except play with their internet spaceships. I figure that is perfectly reasonable too.

But again, you are attacking a single candidate when it is a question of process.


I too agree that flying spaceships in a spaceships game is important.

I'm not attacking anyone, I'm debating a point you originally made. I would see that more as a defence of truth against fabricated delussional representation than a deliberate attack of a candidate.

Fact is according to your own supplied voting figures. The Mittani holds about 2.2 percent representation of accounts, as such he cannot irrefutably claim to represent the entire playerbase, far from in fact.
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#396 - 2012-03-04 03:44:02 UTC
It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.


When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#397 - 2012-03-04 04:34:30 UTC
Mikalia Sunstorm wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

While I regret that a frank exchange of ideas has reduced you to this state, I do appreciate your honesty in laying bare the real differences between The Mittani and other competitors, such as your preferred candidate Hans. People who support The Mittani are well-educated goodposters who coherently and intelligently discuss the important issues and work with all parties in eve willing to cross the lines that divide us to work as one to make EVE better. And, while it would be unfair to tar Hans himself as having written such a post, we must keep in mind the character of poster he has attracted, who would post such vitrol and hate, while freely and openly stating that you are unable and unwilling to back up your preferred candidate with calm, coherent reasoning.

The CSM is a body that must work together with people of opposing viewpoints, and it is clear The Mittani has had a stellar track record in this regard. In contrast, we must note the tribalist nature of the opposition where candidates are supported not on their own merits, but merely as "the anti-goon". And, when necessary, the CSM must be willing to openly and coherently explain why ideas are flawed and unworkable. Goons, The Mittani, and The Mittani supporters are able to coherently do this without needing to resort to petty name-calling. Those opposing The Mittani, well, we need only look at the above post.


Oh my God, you are...

such.
A pompous.
Ass!

I mean, really! Sanctimonious gas-bag, get the f over yourself, already.

Pro-Tip:

Verbosity works better if used sparingly. Overuse of same just makes you look like a pretentious fool--Or even more so, in your case.


Mission accomplished.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#398 - 2012-03-04 05:14:29 UTC
Mikalia Sunstorm wrote:

Pro-Tip:

Verbosity works better if used sparingly. Overuse of same just makes you look like a pretentious fool--Or even more so, in your case.

through science, we can determine that i am 850 times better at posting than you are

1275 if we ignore the like i gave you

i believe i will retain my current posting style but i appreciate the input

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Delici Feelgood
Doomheim
#399 - 2012-03-04 05:27:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Delici Feelgood
Ntrails wrote:
It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.


When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you.


It represents a confidence from the electorate not the playerbase.

The fact that the playerbase is apathetic to the CSM process does not or should not confer confidence to the political emphasis however. It is a lack of confidence if anything.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#400 - 2012-03-04 05:33:05 UTC
Delici Feelgood wrote:
Ntrails wrote:
It is a mandate of x% of the active or engaged playerbase, where the playerbase is seen as those who voted. This is how real world politicians will represent themselves as well, since only the people who vote are relevant to the proceedings.


When it comes down to it, representing more of the playerbase than anyone else, both in that election and historically, by sheer numbers and by the proportion of both voters and accounts, counts as irrefutably representing the playerbase within the confines of this electoral debate. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing more I can do to enlighten you.


It represents a confidence from the electorate not the playerbase.

The fact that the playerbase is apathetic to the CSM process does not or should not confer confidence to the political emphasis however. It is a lack of confidence if anything.

hello, my statistics-impaired friend

given the magnitude of the mittani's victory, and the amount of votes cast, the mittani's mandate is about as strong as one can get; the amount of votes cast makes the results accurate for a confidence interval of 1% with 99% confidence level; in other words, a stronger endorsement than most scientific studies

in other words, the polling of the playerbase done through the CSM votes indicates to a higher degree of statistical certainty that The Mittani represents the people of EVE than studies you need to get a cancer drug FDA approval

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.