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Castle cheesecake Doomheim Likes received: 10	#1 - 2011-09-21 06:07:54 UTC 1 im trying to find a fit to go about for level 3s im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5 i am aware deimos hull is like 4x a brutix, but in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding? thanks in advance

Headerman

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 1,026

#2 - 2011-09-21 06:42:47 UTC

All @ 5:

[Brutix, L3 runner]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

492 DPS, and can tank 167 Serpentis damage, lots of PG and CPU spare

Although the Deimos has some pretty nice bonuses:

[Deimos, L3 runner]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

643 DPS, can tank 335 Serpentis damage. Very tight on PG, so maybe a faction repper or MWD may be handy. No TEs due to the fall-off bonus, but add one in if you like.

Overall, depends on if you have the isk and what level you have BC skill at

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Aliastra Gallente Federation 2,463
Grimpak Aliastra Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,463	#3 - 2011-09-21 07:40:08 UTC 1 Castle cheesecake wrote: im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5 answer is simple: get a myrmidon. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Castle cheesecake

Doomheim

Likes received: 10

#4 - 2011-09-21 15:22:21 UTC

Headerman wrote:

thanks for the fitting, this gives me a good direction to go about
i have the isk to afford and lose a deimos and several brutixs
also i have bc level 1, i dont feel like bringing it to 5 which is why i am more interested in deimos since i have gal cruiser at level 5 already

Grimpak wrote:

Castle cheesecake wrote:

im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5

answer is simple: get a myrmidon.

okay mr smarty pants, have a fit in mind you like to share? :)

i also have like no drone skills, which is why i went with brutix in this thread

Digital Messiah

Center for Advanced Studies

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 401

#5 - 2011-09-21 15:37:29 UTC

Castle cheesecake wrote:

Headerman wrote:

Grimpak wrote:

[quote=Castle cheesecake]im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5

answer is simple: get a myrmidon.

okay mr smarty pants, have a fit in mind you like to share? :)

i also have like no drone skills, which is why i went with brutix in this thread

[Myrmidon, Myrmidon]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x5

@lvl 5
393 dps, 546 alpha.
483 guristas tank.
cap stable.

Even without level 5 skills this is easy to run, cap stable or not. It will do enough dps for level 3's. And you could omni tank since this set up could practically tank some level 4's. Remove some tank for more dps if you like. Though most of it will come from drones anyways.

I have a respect for Grimpak's opinions. Even if he can be sarcastic or a bit snappy at times. The man knows his hybrids.

Something clever

Izziee

University of Izziee

Likes received: 64

#6 - 2011-09-21 23:44:16 UTC

Grimpak wrote:

Castle cheesecake wrote:

im looking to use a deimos or brutix, preferable deimos simply bc i have cruiser level 5

answer is simple: get a myrmidon.

Gotta say, I'm quite sick of pillocks like you. Seems to be so many in Eve. Guy asks A or B and you think the smart answer is C. MOST (key word) people ask a specific question because they have reasons for it.

Sunshine and Lollipops 27,526
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#7 - 2011-09-22 00:05:39 UTC 1 Izziee wrote: MOST (key word) people ask a specific question because they have reasons for it. …and a lot of those people aren't aware that they're asking the wrong question.

Izziee

University of Izziee

Likes received: 64

#8 - 2011-09-22 00:11:22 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Izziee wrote:

MOST (key word) people ask a specific question because they have reasons for it.

…and a lot of those people aren't aware that they're asking the wrong question.

No, I'm quite sure the OP knew what he was asking. An example earlier I asked a question between 1200mm and 1400mm arties and some smartass goes DERRRRP "Use AC's, problem solved" DERRRRP. Did that answer my question? No, no it didn't, and what makes him even more ******** is the fact I AM using AC. Did I mention ANYTHING to do with ACs? No, no I didn't. Did the OP mention anything to do with the myrm? no, no he didn't. This is the only game I've played out of all the mmo's where there's so many smartass think-they-know-it-alls who spurt out such crap that isn't even relevant to the question asked.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#9 - 2011-09-22 00:38:17 UTC 1 Izziee wrote: This is the only game I've played out of all the mmo's where there's so many smartass think-they-know-it-alls who spurt out such crap that isn't even relevant to the question asked. …but funnily enough, getting a Myrm is a pretty relevant answer to the question being asked.

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Goose99 Likes received: 761	#10 - 2011-09-22 00:38:20 UTC 1 Ishtar


Izziee University of Izziee Likes received: 64	#11 - 2011-09-22 00:41:39 UTC 1 Tippia wrote: Izziee wrote: This is the only game I've played out of all the mmo's where there's so many smartass think-they-know-it-alls who spurt out such crap that isn't even relevant to the question asked. …but funnily enough, getting a Myrm is a pretty relevant answer to the question being asked. im looking to use a deimos or brutix Nuff said.


Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops Likes received: 27,526	#12 - 2011-09-22 00:44:41 UTC 1 Izziee wrote: im looking to use a deimos or brutix Nuff said. Good for you. The answer is still "get a Myrm", especially to the question the OP asked.

Izziee

University of Izziee

Likes received: 64

#13 - 2011-09-22 00:49:14 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Izziee wrote:

im looking to use a deimos or brutix

Nuff said.

Good for you. The answer is still "get a Myrm", especially to the question the OP asked.

I'll make it even clearer for the thick

"im looking to use a deimos or brutix"

"i also have like no drone skills"

Derp.

As I said, nuff said, off to bed, clearly you can't handle being wrong :)


Goose99 Likes received: 761	#14 - 2011-09-22 00:50:34 UTC 1 Tippia wrote: Izziee wrote: im looking to use a deimos or brutix Nuff said. Good for you. The answer is still "get a Myrm", especially to the question the OP asked. Ishtar

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

Likes received: 27,526

#15 - 2011-09-22 00:58:01 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Izziee wrote:

I'll make it even clearer for the thick

No, let's make it clear for the hideously thick ones who didn't actually read the OP: “in your experience which one is more efficent for level 3 grinding?”

The answer is: neither. They are both horribly inefficient for L3 grinding. With or without drone skills, the Myrm is better. Hell, with or without drone skills, the Ishtar that Goose99 is going on about is better (and since the OP is looking at a Diemost as an option, the Ishtar is a viable suggestion).

So, again, the problem here is that the OP is asking the wrong question. He is looking for two ships that are 100% unsuitable for the task he wants to use them for: L3s. Neither is “more efficient” — they both sit, neck and neck, at the faaaaar end of the "omgz, don't use those for that, are you insane?!” end of the spectrum.

Instead, the answer to the question is: get a Myrm (or, yes, an Ishtar… but you can't deck that one out with guns to compensate for poor drone skills to the same degree).

Zhilia Mann

Tide Way Out Productions

Likes received: 3,040

#16 - 2011-09-22 01:00:33 UTC

Or there's this:

[Brutix, shield mwd pve]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Hammerhead II x5

This even looks vaguely viable:

[Deimos, shield PvE]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I

Hammerhead II x5

But in the end, a Myrmidon is probably better for these purposes. Sorry, but that's how it is.

Goose99

Likes received: 761

#17 - 2011-09-22 01:07:00 UTC

Zhilia Mann wrote:

I did not believe additional fail can be applied to Diemost and Brutix. I was wrong.

Btw, Ishtar. Big smile


Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions Likes received: 3,040	#18 - 2011-09-22 01:11:47 UTC 1 Goose99 wrote: I did not believe additional fail can be applied to Diemost and Brutix. I was wrong. Btw, Ishtar. That Diemos is ugly, isn't it ?

Puss in Boots

Naked Moon Industries

Likes received: 20

#19 - 2011-09-22 11:35:26 UTC | Edited by: Puss in Boots

Tippia wrote:

Izziee wrote:

I'll make it even clearer for the thick

This ^^ this ^^ and a side order of this^^ . I'd suggest a brutix until you get drone skills, then get a myrm.

Malcanis

Vanishing Point.

The Initiative.

Likes received: 18,382

#20 - 2011-09-22 11:42:43 UTC

Castle cheesecake wrote:

i have the isk to afford and lose a deimos and several brutixs
also i have bc level 1, i dont feel like bringing it to 5 which is why i am more interested in deimos since i have gal cruiser at level 5 already

You will find the Brutix (and indeed the Myrmidon) to be hugely more useful if you train Battlecruisers to 4. At level 1 you are getting only a tiny bonus to damage and repair amounts.

You will also need the Heavy Assault Ships skill to use a Deimos - what level do you have that skill at?

PS Battlecruisers is widely acknowledged as one of the best ship skills to get to level 5. I have never heard anyone complain that they wasted their skillpoints on BC 5.

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