Ships & Modules

The roles of Battleships and t3 BCs don't overlap at all in my opinion. t3 BCs have no HP, you fly them very differently and in very different situations. If anything they've taken over the role of sniper HACs, not BSes. There are tons of situations you need a lot of HP in. People fight in lowsec, people fight on POSes, people fight in bubbles, etc. A t3 BC doesn't tank anything even with a scimi, you need to warp as soon as you start getting shot, but in a lot of situations you need to be able to stay on grid.

My corp has been using t3s extensively since they were introduced, but we still use Abaddons a lot as well. It's out tanking someone vs out running someone. What works best depends on the situation.

Why do you even bring Gallente BS on the table for this discussion?

Some one will soon come and tell you that Dominix is THA master BS best all around etc and that you are a noob or a stupid guy that never understands whatsoever, that 2k+ Vindicaters all day long, Megathrons 1300dps all day long and etc and etc again.

Then you look at their KB's, then you look at Eve-kill stats and watch km's stream for 15min, and then you realize T3's were good as idea and also a game breaking machine on top of Canes and Drakes.
So what? -there's nothing you can do or say that will bring some reason or change anything around anyway.

Look at hybrids fake rebalance and how every time they got 1pt up others got 2pts up. You're wasting your time.

I beg to differ, talos gets much more range than a mega and go do 800dps out to 45km with just about same tracking as a scorch zealot.

Also no offense but Ship A vs Ship B is an argument that will never be won in eve because the situation will never be as it was anticipated. By that logic a 400dps DD with 5k ehp will kill a 180dps jag with 6.5k ehp. Which can and cant happen.

Obviously a bs can be hit hard and a tier 3 cant but the problem exists with the fact...unless you are fighting a gang with tier 3's or scorch baddons/barrage tempest/mael then a tier 3 gang will slaughter a bs gang every single time as long as they can supply long point, which isent hard when every nano gang is running around with loki links and a 100km point arazu and 95km web huggin.

I really do feel as if Tier 3's have took over the role of DPS "in a hurry" and are starting to take over the mass amount of drakes about...have you seen how ******* fast a bunch of tier 3's melt a 80k ehp drake. The drake used to be the only bc in the game that was capable of doing the same dps from 70km as it did @ 5km and with its massive tank it became the mainstream of any gang, hell we used to roam in 6-7 drake gangs with a scimi and long point arazu and slaughtered 50man gangs...now its happening with the tier 3's, except with more dps and speed...

Hell we have engaged active tanked mega's/maelstroms that popped so fast its as if they had no mods fitted at all.

lol eh yeah your stupid...for a start "SIGNATURE RESOLUTION" is not even a thing in the game. Its Signature Radius and a guns signature radius has NOTHING to do with it stracking.

Try again, dipshit

Well, to be fair when was the last time you saw a mega fleet? I mean over 5 ships?

tier 3s vs battleships have issues for the most part unless the battleship FC is completely incompetent, or its a kitchen sink fleet. I haven't gunned BS vice tier 3s, but I've flown logi with the BS's outnumbered in geddons and we uttlerly wrecked the oracles that came against us.

They could speed tank the guns somewhat, they had no answer to 600 bouncers.

there is a signature resolution for turrets, 400m for large, 125m for medium, i can't recall off the top of my head what small was.

although I do agree that in practice the blaster talos tracks just fine, since it's the best tracking close range turrets on a ship with a tracking bonus and for whatever reason you chose to compare it to the worst tracking close range turret with no tracking bonus (the zealot).

also: i agree that there are very limited reasons to use a BS in small gangs currently, but im not sure that is necessarily undesirable. at least hte metagame shakeup is pretty interesting and everyone is still at a point where they don't know what will happen in a lot of these situations.

Tier 3s and BS don't overlap much, IMO.

Tier 3s are really good at pewing battlecruiser gangs, in 1v1s where gank >> tank, and on gate camps where someone else is handling tackle. They're also really good at any fight you would have won anyway in something else. Battleships are much better in any engagement where you have to stand and fight - don't forget battleships generally have higher resists as well (since they can devote more slots and grid to tank) which makes logis more effective in addition to the raw EHP increase.

I actually went back to 720 artycane as a roaming sniper. The loss of EFT DPS is more than made up for by its vastly superior tracking, especially when shooting at tackle and/or at fairly close range, not to mention its much stronger tank (esp. w/ scimi support), as well as more utility via a drone bay with ECMs and two neuts.

Wooosh !! STOOOOOOOOOP IT !!

Talos doesn't have range bonus or is there any hidden bonus we're not aware of?

Thing is that you're trying desperately to compare things that can't. Shield fit your mega and nano it, it will be faster +/- than your Talos, still have more dps and lot more tank/drone bay. And I guarantee you I can make mega have more dps at far distances you can do with your Talos.
+1 gun will never be better than +1 or 2 dmg mods, never did and will never do.

It's just that you haven't realised yet battleships don't have to be brick tanked to be good and keep all their advantages compared with Tier3 BC's

Edit:
Are Tier 3 BC's too good? -yes, definitively

Are Tier 3 BC's better than battleships? -current meta that is hit'n run backwards the moment you start loosing more than 1 ship yes. Battleships are bricks and actual dps for those if it's not bad, compared with BC's should get at least 25% boost, this couldn't harm the game for sure.

You're doing it wrong

Just popping to say that ending your post with "try again, dipship" when it's as clueless as this one made me all warm and fuzzy inside.