Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That could even be lucrative for the haulage profession too perhaps, contract the clone to be carried to a particular station for installation.

Interesting ideas.

There should be a way to install jumpclones based on personal standings towards a corp/faction too. There are many reasons to keep alts in alt corps (or the nub corp, if people wish). Moving them to jumpcloning service corps is not always an option, and in many cases your personal standings might be sufficient (maybe even very very good) to install clones - but your corp standings screw it over.

It's quite a silly system actually, you cannot help that your corporation is disliked by this corp/faction, especially if you yourself have high standings (that pretty much implies that you have worked hard for them, and they love you). Why'd they turn you down then?

I've posted on forums before that I'd like to see the 24 hour clone cut shorter, your suggestion is appealing for a variety of reasons. But if nothing else: if your corp/alliance have regular ops at a fixed time, say 21:00 EVE, and you clonejump to appear at one op one day. Maybe you get to your fleet booster clone and fly a damnation/vulture/t3/whatever. Then next day, next op, you are going to fly more 'risky' ships and want a cheaper/disposable clone. But - you can't clonejump, because you did it yesterday before that op and the timer will be too close to tonights op!

It should the very least be 22-23h, one day is an hour or two too much as is.

no
what clonejumping needs is a nerf not boost or "revamp".
clonejumping shouldnt be your usual movement method but flying ships and decide in which part of the universe you want to live.
CJ should be only for emergency situations, like if your station has been captured by enemy with your stuff in it.

I would suggest raising the clonejump cooldown to 1 week!

Ok, to make that more clear:
I want to have more flexibility (and more jumps per time) for the clonejump system, while removing the timer free "exploit" of setting the medical station and selfdestructing the pod to get in a medical clone.

People usually have access to a variety of med stations in empire alwell as nullsec stations. it only takes some clicks to set the med clone station and 2 mins to selfdestruct a pod. then you just pay the fee for the new med clone. No timers involved.

On the other hand, clonejumping has this very inflexible 24h timer, which, as stated above, makes it hard to change clones if you have ops each day at roughly the same time.

What i want is make the clonejumping better and tie all clone changes, including the expoit of self podding to a med clone, into the same system.

Of course there is no way to tell if you selfdestructed (maybe with the help of a friend) or were actually killed in combat. But when the exploit is gone and the regain of the proposed mental stability is fast enough, you shouldnt have problems with normal pod kills in pvp. I dont know many people who get podded over and over in a short period of time.

To make that more clear, lets try some example math:

You have a mental stability of 100 wich can be increased by 10 for each level of skill x (infomorph psycology or another skill). This is your buffer. You regenerate 1 point per hour, so it takes roughly 4 to 6 days to regain full stability depending on your buffer if it was empty. Tresholds could be:
20 (serious trauma if a clone change is initiated at this point, stalls most your activities for about 5 h)
40 (light trauma, heavy drawbacks for 2h, but still managable if you really want to die again)
60 (bad headacke. some notable drawbacks for 1h)
80 (light headacke, some minor drawbacks for 30 min).

Every event of clone changing makes you suffer (20-(hours since last clonechange)) points, with a minimum of 5 points. This means i can clonejump every 10 h if i dont get podded without loosing anything (10 regeneration over 10h, 20-10=10). So i will never see a drawback.

If i have no jumpclones and no skill, so buffer of 100, and do pvp, the first time getting podded will cost me 5 points, the minimum. After that, it depends on the time i am playing, but lets suppose it is after just one h, so 1 point regenerated, 19 points lost. When the change is forced on me the second time, i have 96 of 100 point which should be over the treshold for side effects, so still no effect. For the third podding in short order, the change will be initiated with below 80 points which could be a treshold, which gives me a light headacke (some 1% drawback for half an hour). That leaves me with 52 points, where i dont want to die unitl i regenerated it (takes roughly 2 days).

If you have the skill trained, you get another 1 to 2.5 short order clone changes. That makes 3 to 5 times getting killed in relatively short order without even getting serious drawbacks. You just cant do that every day.

So if you have the skill at level 3, which most players have who are involved in that heavy pvp, it takes some serious messing with your pod to get a drawback (most people try to save their pod).

The drawbacks will however prevent the abuse of self podding to med clone and clonejumping, because if you jump over and over again, you will not be able to do any pvp and pve activitys effectively.

All that of course has to be balanced. I could imagine awakening a trauma clinic (med clone) could reduce the stability loss a bit, but that again allows the exploit of med clone abuse by self podding to save points. The real issue i see with the system, is that you can not really separate pvp pod kills from self podding. Maybe if the instant change of med station is removed in the process of boosting clone jumping, you could be much lighter on pod kills regarding mental stability.

If you just raise the timer, more people will use the self podding to med clone as a way to travel. Nothing to gain there.

Raising the timer and not allowing people to clone jump makes it harder to get to the action. Maybe you have the one golden spot in the game where you come online and instantly something cool happens before your nose, most people dont have that. They need a way to get there, and in many cases this is by changing the clone, be it clonejumping or podding to a med station near that location.

The strategical aspect is still there, as you need to move the stuff you want to fly to the location you want to jump to.

And if you want to tell me people should travel all the way each time they need to get to a system, i have to remind you that some of them have a job that doesnt allow a three digit number of jumps each day, especially in systems where you cant autopilot.

So stop talking about increasing the timer, it changes nothing, and it makes nothing better.

This is another aspect that could be dealt with by adjusting the mental stability cost. The "formula" i provided above as an example can be adjusted in many ways, other than a simple timer. You want to punish people less for changing clones over small (or zero) distances? Or make beeing podded in a fight less costly than clonejumping? It can all be done and lore explanatiions can be found to make it feel consistent. Its just a matter of creative balancing of the cost value and adding such ideas as yours to the equation.

For the people who fear that simply jumping out of a combat zone is bad for pvp: Allowing capsulers to change clones to adjust implant sets and get into a pvp boat, besides jumping TO a combat zone and not away from it, promotes pvp in my opinion.

A very good thought Phobos, thanks for the constructive post

Provided you have +8.00 standings with an NPC corporation, you can get a JC. Corp standings only take effect if you have less than 8.00 and the corp has standings such that you could install a clone...

i'd expect such things to be said by ignorant hiseccers

also this whole idea is bad